Why Aren't More People Interested In The New NDE Forum?

[fuzoid]

I find it unbelievable that on a site such as this one, there is no one interested in discussing the NDE other than myself and the 2012 Site Admin. C'mon folks! Whether you see it not, this topic is tied in with most of the discussions taking place in the 2012 forum! How? If the whole 2012 scenario is true (which I do not believe it is), aren't any of you the least bit interested in what happens after death? And what of you Christians? Aren't you the least bit interested in discovering if your afterlife beliefs are correct? And what about you so-called athiests? Aren't you the least bit interested in proving the NDE is nothing more than the last gasp of a dying brain?

This is a controversial subject, folks! And if there is one thing I noticed since visiting here, this site thrives on controversy. So here's your opportunity to discuss one of the most controversial subjects of all time.... What Happens When We Die?

Or are y'all a bunch of pussies?

fuzoid
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[ddd]

Or are y'all a bunch of pussies?

fuzoid

Pussy!! Why you little...Im gonna come over there and......Good tactic!

Im guessing the replies, at least mine, would be typical. Around six months ago, I watched a news story about NDEs which mentioned that they were not limited to those with faith. Nor were they universal among us, unless some had these experiences and somehow forgot - the way someone may forget a bad car accident afterwards. Anyway the story ended in saying that a study was to be done on this subject - I think part of the focus was to ascertain whether brain activity functioned on different levels - so that if standard equiptment can no longer pick them up the patient is considered brain dead. But what if there is still something going on in the brain for a longer period of time, but reduced below the level of current hospital equiptment to detect it.

The brain is, well.......incredible. We haven't even touched it yet, you know?
I think it makes a kind of sense that in this situation, some fundamental part of you fully recognizes you're on your way out.
But Im not versed by any means on this subject - and I cant (even though I want to) say that there isn't something more to this experience.
But id bet on a version of the 'last gasp' theory. At any rate, I'd rather give medical science a chance to explain this before jumping to any conclusions.
I mean they haven't explained consciousness itself yet, but I don't conclude out of the lack of a working encyclopedia or road map of self-awareness, that I must have a soul.

Look forward to any info others may have come across
Cheers

[ddd]

crap! I thought you must be talking about a members forum, I usually only 'grace' this one. Thanks for the heads up.

[fuzoid]

Or are y'all a bunch of pussies?

fuzoid

Pussy!! Why you little...Im gonna come over there and......Good tactic!

ROFLMAO!!! Yeah, I thought a little goading might be in order.

Im guessing the replies, at least mine, would be typical. Around six months ago, I watched a news story about NDEs which mentioned that they were not limited to those with faith. Nor were they universal among us, unless some had these experiences and somehow forgot - the way someone may forget a bad car accident afterwards.

You are correct! Not everyone who clinically dies experiences an NDE. Why? I have no answer. But if I was to guess, it would be because they were not clinically dead. As you state below, there may have been a level of activity that was not detectable. It's also quite possible that those with no memory may have been made to forget. There is a belief within reincarnation that speaks of drinking from a river of forgetfulness.

You are also correct that the experience is not limited to those with faith. While I don't have the statistics available, if I remember correctly, according to Dr. Kenneth Ring, most all atheist NDErs came away from the experience with some form of faith. Not of a religious nature, but rather more of a universal mystic faith.

Anyway the story ended in saying that a study was to be done on this subject - I think part of the focus was to ascertain whether brain activity functioned on different levels - so that if standard equiptment can no longer pick them up the patient is considered brain dead. But what if there is still something going on in the brain for a longer period of time, but reduced below the level of current hospital equiptment to detect it.

I have news for the producer of this program, the NDE has been studied since the 1970's. So has the study of the brain to discover the cause of the NDE. The answer still alludes. The most baffling medical case under controlled conditions is that of Pam Reynolds. She underwent a procedure called Hypothermic Cardiac Arrest to remove a brain basilar artery aneurysm. She should not have had any type of experience but she did. And what she described about the equipment and part of the procedure was confirmed. You really should read about her experience. You can find a brief description here:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html

The brain is, well.......incredible. We haven't even touched it yet, you know?

No argument from me! However, we have this throny issue of consciousness. In the world of quantum physics it's known as the quantum enigma, or rather, the skeleton in the closet. Why is this important? Because it implies we create our reality through observation. As in the holographic model. Meaning consciousness cannot be an emergent property of the brain because all is illusion, including the brain.

I think it makes a kind of sense that in this situation, some fundamental part of you fully recognizes you're on your way out.

Well... there is a theory that we choose our life knowing when and how we die. So if there is any truth to it, this could be nothing more than our higher self (or whatever you choose to call it) remembering.

But Im not versed by any means on this subject - and I cant (even though I want to) say that there isn't something more to this experience.

Although not proof, it's necessary to read much of the anecdotal evidence to gain a better understanding. I'm willing to bet there are many aspects to the NDE that were not covered by this program. For example, not everyone who experiences an NDE has the stereotypical experience. Some just wander. For example, there is the case of one individual who went to their home only to discover one person home. This person was crying and praying to God for the life of the NDEr. This NDEr then found themself traveling with the rest of their family to the hospital and was able to describe the conversation that took place. Everything was confirmed by the family members. In my mind, this is pretty convincing anecdotal evidence!

But id bet on a version of the 'last gasp' theory. At any rate, I'd rather give medical science a chance to explain this before jumping to any conclusions.

Then you would probably like the research of Dr. Susan Blackmore. Although she had an experience, as a doctor, she could not allow herself to believe it actually occurred. She remains a skeptic and if I remember correctly, she is the on who coined the term, last gasp of a dying brain.

I mean they haven't explained consciousness itself yet, but I don't conclude out of the lack of a working encyclopedia or road map of self-awareness, that I must have a soul.

If they're looking towards the brain for an explanation for consciousness, then I doubt they will ever discover the answer. In my estimation, the answer to consciousness lies in the quantum world of a holographic universe.

Look forward to any info others may have come across
Cheers

Besides Susan Blackmore, check out the research of Dr. Kenneth Ring. Dr. Ring has done the most thorough scientific investigation of the NDE to date (that I'm aware of). As a result of his research he co-founded IANDS (International Association for Near Death Studies). I would say it's safe to include Dr. Ring among the believers.

fuzoid
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[fuzoid]

crap! I thought you must be talking about a members forum, I usually only 'grace' this one. Thanks for the heads up.

No problem! And for those who may not be aware how to get there, click on the Board index link or Forums tab and you'll see it.

[k9maiden]

Posting moved to NDE form: http://2012-comet.com/phpbb/near-death-experiences-f5/

Used it to start a new topic "Life After Death".

[mariuk]

It's all the same setting over and over....... white light crap ..... blah blah blah!! Tell me something meaningful and
prove it. I want PROOF!!!!!!! Do any of you know what that is?

[fuzoid]

It's all the same setting over and over....... white light crap ..... blah blah blah!! Tell me something meaningful and
prove it. I want PROOF!!!!!!! Do any of you know what that is?

If there was hard core proof, then the subject would not be controversial as it would have been confirmed as fact. The closest you're going to get to proof is verfiable anecdotal evidence, which the literature is full of. And while evidence is not proof, if the experience itself is verified for the experiencer, then to them that's all the proof they need whether you believe them, or not! You do understand what verifiable empirical evidence is, don't you?

And why wouldn't the experience be similar? If this is what happens when we die, why wouldn't most experience the tunnel effect, or the crossing of a river? Why wouldn't they see a white light if it's true all is made from light? Why wouldn't they be met by loved ones or a being of light? Do you expect to take an airliner to a possible afterlife only to be greeted by angels who fix you with a halo and wings upon embarkment? Anyway, you're wrong, it is not the same setting over and over. The initial experience itself is usually culturally determined or due to ones expectations. It's only when the NDEr enters the core experience that the settings begin to look familiar. And if this is truly what happens to us upon death, do you expect the setting to be different for everyone? When you bring people into your home, do you expect them all to see or experience something different?

I'm curious, what would you consider as proof?

[PHAQ from NM156]

Why would anyone want to show an interest in a forum that you seem to know everything about, actually you seem to think you know everything, even if you know nothing. Ya that's right fuzoid I'm talking to you, you argue just for the sake of argueing which is usually baseless. If you are so bored it is most likely due to the fact that you are a little minded person who no-one wants to reply to. I have sat back for months watching you belittle person after person and I'm sick of your garbage. Boo hoo you and your NDE crap, who gives a ****! PS ishi shemi petpochida

[Unbeliever]

Why would anyone want to show an interest in a forum that you seem to know everything about, actually you seem to think you know everything, even if you know nothing. Ya that's right fuzoid I'm talking to you, you argue just for the sake of argueing which is usually baseless. If you are so bored it is most likely due to the fact that you are a little minded person who no-one wants to reply to. I have sat back for months watching you belittle person after person and I'm sick of your garbage. Boo hoo you and your NDE crap, who gives a ****! PS ishi shemi petpochida

Oh, shut up. It's pretty clear that you are trying to stop Fuzoid from arguing with you because you are unable to argue back.