I believe God does exist. As far as proof goes. Well here's my scientific attempt and proving it.
Ignore the universe, ignore everything you know. Now just for now picture a blank canvas.
Now before we start adding big bang or creation or God. Let's just look at this blank canvas.
Because believe it or not, it's the smoking gun.

Now, by canvas I mean nothing, what was there before us. The starting point before anything
happened, the 0 on our scale.

What would this place be like? I know, it couldn't contain "nothing" that is for sure, it's just not
possible. But at the same time it is nothing, the same way 0 is infinite. If there was a blank
canvas, instead of showing nothing (which is impossible) It would instead show infinite.
Nothing would simply be every combination of everything.

That's just how I see it. Now, as far as God goes. Well this is easier to explain, if you use logic
and increment your way up the dimensions you will end up with a 10th dimensional object which
I believe shares the same properties as God is said to have.
Please watch the video if you want to carry on, thanks.

http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php

The above link goes to a simple but effective logical explanation of the dimensions from 0 to 10.
Basically the 10th dimension would be an object that could be everywhere at once etc.etc.

Now, at the 10th dimension we get the true meaning of infinite to it's fullest possible meaning.
But my observations lead me to ask, what's the difference between 0 and 10 dimensions.

What I'm getting at is there's a looping scale, 0 to 10, then back again. And a full scale is a great
thing because it explains the whole content of everything in our universe in all dimensions.
If you apply real life things to it, like the video has examples, you can see that humans would
fit in the 3rd dimension and God could possibly fit into the 10th dimension.

Now, It's extremely hard for me to explain, but to me this is a great, logical scientifically approved
theory for not only how we came to be, but also it incorporates the possibility of a God like entity and
yet it's completely logical science.

Now, this theory makes a compromise between science and faith. It suggests that everything that can
happen has already happened and that we're just living out one of the many possibilities of how we can live
our lives. It suggests that our being here now is just a combination of chemical accidents and biological
mutations such as evolution. But as the same time, it suggests a larger more intangible part of the universe
including God. To me it's perfect and it's logically what would be if nothing happened. Which is everything.

I apologize for my poor explanation, If anyone understand and feels they can better explain, please do.
All feedback is welcomed, thanks.

Well it's certainly food for thought. Scientists and pure Mathematicians are always playing around with dimensions nowadays (I think they are up to about 17 dimensions necessary to explain certain phenomenon in some theories). The idea of "God" being in a higher dimension to us is never a new one; here's an analogy of that. Imagine you were a stick figure on a piece of paper. you understand everything in 2D, so whatever is in line with the page you are on, you see. Now imagine that I were to take a pencil and push it through your piece of paper. you wouldn't know what was going on because you could only see the part of the pencil that is in line with the paper, so what you would see of the pencil would change rapidly and be incredibly difficult to understand. This could be an explanation for a lot of 'supernatural' or 'miracle' events. Ghosts may be just something passing through a higher dimension that we cannot interpret.

However, this is certainly no proof for creation. If there is a god the sheer statistical improbability of it being a god similar to any religion on earth is huge. And who says that that if there is something, someone, whatever existing in a higher dimension, that it made us, or even cares about us? Being a scientist with an objective view about any theory that people put forward about how we came to be, I cannot believe that this is any proof, just an interesting idea. There is much more to go for the Big bang, and before that we don't know because we cannot get any information about the Universe prior to then. As soon as there is concrete proof for a theory, be it big bang theory, creationism or something completely different, I will believe it. Until then, I'll stick to the accepted scientific view.

FaithMeteor wrote: And who says that if there is something, someone, whatever existing in a higher dimension, that it made us, or even cares about us?

Bingo!

Just one example of why the presence of a Christian's idea of a loving God is laughable:

There are species of parasite that can only survive and reproduce in the human eye causing excruciating pain and blindness and often death in young children.

There are species of parasite that can only survive and reproduce in the human eye causing excruciating pain and blindness and often death in young children.

... right. Now think to yourself. Does that make any sense logically? First of all, how would the parasite evolve? It would have to evolve from something that existed before the human eye was formed. Your fact and point breaks down right there. Secondly, what do you think is possibly special about a human eye as apposed to ANY other eye similar in size - e.g., cow, goat, pig, horse,.. etc etc. A parasite could just as easily survive and reproduce in a different eye, and most likely in many other places than an eye!

Do research about things you hear... what you are describing sounds like the eye worm: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/199357/eye-worm It actually DIES once it gets into the eye.

I would be happy to discuss with you questions you may have.

It's amazing how GOD believers use logic to get to their point about trying to understand nothingness, and how its impossible that all this came from nothing. Then you ignore the simple fact that using your own logic points to the fact that if all this life had to have been created, because we all know we can't get something from nothingness. Then please answer my next question USING LOGIC and SCIENCE "where did god come from?"

Why is it that believers can't accept that life and universe came from nothing, but when it comes to the "CREATOR" "GOD" whatever you want to call him/her it's dismissed as something that's beyond our understanding. Is it me or does this make absolutely no sense??

Think of it like this, to believe something came from nothing, is absolutely ridiculous. So, to answer the question, you put God in its place and it answers these problems, whether you believe the same thing is your own deal. It gives people a thought of hope for after you die as well as when you are alive. So to doubt it also proves the ignorance of just wanting to be against such a perfect idea. People want to be against it simply because they want to have some proof of it to believe it, and there was proof, then people just hated it more because of the new proof. It is an ongoing fight of whether you feel like accepting it or not.

guest JellyBelly wrote:Think of it like this, to believe something came from nothing, is absolutely ridiculous.

We didn't come from nothing. We came from a soup of the big bang's leftover atoms.

guest5555 wrote:

There are species of parasite that can only survive and reproduce in the human eye causing excruciating pain and blindness and often death in young children.

... right. Now think to yourself. Does that make any sense logically? First of all, how would the parasite evolve? It would have to evolve from something that existed before the human eye was formed. Your fact and point breaks down right there. Secondly, what do you think is possibly special about a human eye as apposed to ANY other eye similar in size - e.g., cow, goat, pig, horse,.. etc etc. A parasite could just as easily survive and reproduce in a different eye, and most likely in many other places than an eye!

Do research about things you hear... what you are describing sounds like the eye worm: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/199357/eye-worm It actually DIES once it gets into the eye.

I would be happy to discuss with you questions you may have.

Well dah...

You need to do some more of your own research as I'm not describing an eye worm...

In any event humans are the filthiest and weakest species on the planet, however, we have evolved to take care of the filthy, the weak and the sick so it has been able to evolve along with us. In any other species going blind would spell the death of the host and the parasite!

guest JellyBelly wrote:Think of it like this, to believe something came from nothing, is absolutely ridiculous. So, to answer the question, you put God in its place and it answers these problems, whether you believe the same thing is your own deal. It gives people a thought of hope for after you die as well as when you are alive. So to doubt it also proves the ignorance of just wanting to be against such a perfect idea. People want to be against it simply because they want to have some proof of it to believe it, and there was proof, then people just hated it more because of the new proof. It is an ongoing fight of whether you feel like accepting it or not.

LOL that is the worst explanation i could have ever heard. SO TO BELIEVE SOMETHING CAME FROM NOTHING IS "absolutely ridiculous", but when it comes to your "GOD" and who created him/her/it IT'S NOT An "absolutely ridiculous" thought that he came from nothing???

Come on, someone with a little better attempt at answering my question please.

I am the Thorn wrote:

FaithMeteor wrote: And who says that if there is something, someone, whatever existing in a higher dimension, that it made us, or even cares about us?

Bingo!

Just one example of why the presence of a Christian's idea of a loving God is laughable:

While I agree with you that the Christian view of God is laughable, I need to play the devil's advocate here. How does FaithMeteor's example show that the Christian view of God is laughable? Because I'm not seeing it.

There are species of parasite that can only survive and reproduce in the human eye causing excruciating pain and blindness and often death in young children.

And? What point are you trying to make here?

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