BuckyOHare wrote:

jenny wrote:when i saw him in june of 2009 he was and is the most beautiful being i have ever seen .

What did he look like?

he has blonde gold hair lighter than mine past his shoulders with natural waves he was wearing a white and blue robe the blue was from the shoulder areas down to the floor the white had long ? sleeves was underneath but they aren't real sleeves like real pretty cloths like a ? priest wears maybe .
he looked almost like the shroud but his face is distorted their and it's not a wide face like it looks his detail is gone in the shroud and his face looks all swollen .......

i don't know the Elohim like james says and a few others i know the disciples as the Elohim and i know of the trinity there are no off worlders in my Elohim

when i was on my so called sabbatical that i didn't know i was on i met ?? Abraham i never knew him before he is young i told Michael i could show him his face he said they had no cameras for anyone .... he is young Abraham with a short beard and mustache brown hair also i had some of the white felines here and some ?? Egyptian masks guys

sorry for your loss Bucky

when i was on my sabbatical that i didn 't know i was on

jenny wrote:

BuckyOHare wrote:

jenny wrote:when i saw him in june of 2009 he was and is the most beautiful being i have ever seen .

What did he look like?

he has blonde gold hair lighter than mine past his shoulders with natural waves he was wearing a white and blue robe the blue was from the shoulder areas down to the floor the white had long ? sleeves was underneath but they aren't real sleeves like real pretty cloths like a ? priest wears maybe .
he looked almost like the shroud but his face is distorted their and it's not a wide face like it looks his detail is gone in the shroud and his face looks all swollen .......

i don't know the Elohim like james says and a few others i know the disciples as the Elohim and i know of the trinity there are no off worlders in my Elohim

when i was on my so called sabbatical that i didn't know i was on i met ?? Abraham i never knew him before he is young i told Michael i could show him his face he said they had no cameras for anyone .... he is young Abraham with a short beard and mustache brown hair also i had some of the white felines here and some ?? Egyptian masks guys

sorry for your loss Bucky

when i was on my sabbatical that i didn 't know i was on

Jenny,

Your description of Jesus is wonderful. However, Jesus was a middle eastern man and so in truth his colouring would have been dark. I believe he would have sported black or dark brown hair which would have been typical of men of that era and location, possibly tight curls, almost wiry due to the hot sun drying it, also, he would most definately had facial hair, again dark beard and tache with dense sideburns, again typical of men of that era and location. His skin tone would have been dark, not negroid but much like middle easterners of today.

His clothing would have been a simple linen, probably sackcloth, the type used for storing grains, probably a brown hessian like fabric with a possible cotton like fabric wore underneath to prevent chaffing. his footwear would have either been barefoot or sandal like footwear fashioned from animal hide.

There are many depictions of Jesus throughout the world. Your description sounds like the typical westernised image that is used in depictions throughout europe and western world.

with regard to your absense from the site what is it other than a sabbatical. Dictionary definition of sabbatical : to take leave or rest from work or other activity. Sabbatical derived from Sabbath. to take rest from. The true meaning is to take a break after seven years. the general acceptance is the modern definition to take a break from work or other activity.

jenny wrote:

BuckyOHare wrote:

jenny wrote:when i saw him in june of 2009 he was and is the most beautiful being i have ever seen .

What did he look like?

he has blonde gold hair lighter than mine past his shoulders with natural waves he was wearing a white and blue robe the blue was from the shoulder areas down to the floor the white had long ? sleeves was underneath but they aren't real sleeves like real pretty cloths like a ? priest wears maybe .
he looked almost like the shroud but his face is distorted their and it's not a wide face like it looks his detail is gone in the shroud and his face looks all swollen .......

Quite a departure form the description's given of the "Jesus" by historians of the period, none of which describe the same person. Either by complexion, stature etc.. "Chestnut colored hair", Golden colored hair", "a black beard", "brown hair with black brows", 'dark, shining, curling hair", "a full red beard the color of his hair coming into two points", "like wool", "Olive colored skin", "wheat colored skin", "swarthy skinned" , " skin, of ruddiness in appearance", "blue eyes", 'gray eyes", "brown eyes", "eyes, blue going to brown at the edges", "eyes that continually change color".

Imagine that given as a description given for a bank robber or a person you were looking for, as if you were in an airport....

Then we have this, QUOTING:
"A team of forensic scientists recently attempted to recreate what Jesus may have looked like based on human remains from the area and time period in which Jesus is believed to have existed. However, this image does not reveal any specific details about what Jesus looked like; it is intended only to give a view of the typical person living in Jesus' time and place.[8] In the December 2002 edition of Popular Mechanics, Jesus was shown as looking like a typical Galilean Semite. Among the points made was that the Bible records that Jesus' disciple Judas had to point him out to those arresting him. The implied argument being that if Jesus' physical appearance differed that markedly from his disciples, then he would have been relatively easy to identify."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_Je ... ical_Jesus
A Galilean Semite is given as most likely, based on burial evidence from the region and of the period. Then you have prophecy that stated the "Jesus" was supposed to be a descendant of David, but, the Catholic church in an authorized response concerning the lineage from David admits that was likely fabricated and there isn't a way to verify Mary's lineage either, nor does Marys lineage matter, since Jewish lineal heritage and prophecy demands the "Jesus" be of direct descent of David. Father to son etc...

We can't help that the norm of Judaic culture marginalized women of the day, and didn't take into consideration women in bloodlines or lineage. It was, the word of "god", after all. This was a requirement of the bible. Fortunately, that sort of treatment of women has begun to change, after a very long time, and still a way to go, but it is better.

So, lets go with an image of a Galilean Semite......



This is what the general consensus is that the "Jesus", looked like in a general, nonspecific way.
If he existed he would have been around 5'1" tall, and about 110 pounds.
The above image is what I would expect the 'Jesus" to look like. When I was Christian, I thought it was common knowledge the images and descriptions given were from a western or European perspective. Just like Middle Eastern, African, or South American images depict the 'Jesus" as being from that region, etc...

(“he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him,” Isa. 53:2)
The above verse from Isaiah describes what the "Messiah" would look like, and by prophecy, must look like.
But those prophecies weren't fulfilled.
Judaism doesn't accept the Jesus as Messiah, and it isn't because they are stubborn.
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Care about people's approval and you will be their prisoner.--Tao Te Ching

Thanks to Isomer and Mr Darwin who got their replies in before I did.

Jenny I dont doubt your beliefs at all, they are your own and you are fully entitled to them. However, like the others have stated, its extremely unlikely that Jesus would resemble a western man. I agree with the other guys, but still, as I have said, people can believe in whatever they choose and I hope your beliefs bring you comfort during times of stress and difficulty.

I am born Christian but that doesn't mean I don't respect others beliefs. In my opinion if we will base religion in the bible there will only but one answer, Christianity. Christian means followers of Christ as mentioned by Paul in the book of timothy.




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I believe that there is only one God. Religions are man-made. God set down rules for us as a guidance for everyday life. Just as the bible is there to teach us to stay on the right path to fulfil a righteous life as much as we possibly can. There are variations of the bible but how we read and apply what's in there is down to us. Unfortunately many people bend the truth to suit themselves. This is what causes disharmony and wars among nations. I was brought up Roman catholic left the church in my teens a very lost and disillusioned youth. In my adulthood I spent a lot of my time trying to find a true religion ...I never found one. But God as a loving Father pulled me back close to him again. I read my bible at home or on my phone in private. I talk and pray in private. I don't need any church, mosque, temple or synagogue to get close to God he is always with me. I focus on what he wants from me now and how I should conduct my life. When the time comes to face him I hope I have done all I can to have pleased him in my life. As for the end of the world we are told NOT to dwell on it. Be prepared by all means but don't be consumed about it! How we are before God is more important! Under God we are All brothers and sisters. Blessings

child of God wrote:I believe that there is only one God. Religions are man-made. God set down rules for us as a guidance for everyday life. Just as the bible is there to teach us to stay on the right path to fulfil a righteous life as much as we possibly can. There are variations of the bible but how we read and apply what's in there is down to us. Unfortunately many people bend the truth to suit themselves. This is what causes disharmony and wars among nations. I was brought up Roman catholic left the church in my teens a very lost and disillusioned youth. In my adulthood I spent a lot of my time trying to find a true religion ...I never found one. But God as a loving Father pulled me back close to him again. I read my bible at home or on my phone in private. I talk and pray in private. I don't need any church, mosque, temple or synagogue to get close to God he is always with me. I focus on what he wants from me now and how I should conduct my life. When the time comes to face him I hope I have done all I can to have pleased him in my life. As for the end of the world we are told NOT to dwell on it. Be prepared by all means but don't be consumed about it! How we are before God is more important! Under God we are All brothers and sisters. Blessings

Hi Child of God,

This is a very good post. It is based upon your belief, a belief which is singular to you. I am not religious to a greater degree and the whole belief system centred around God and the Bible is for each individual to decide, for me it holds no validation, however, It is everyone's right to hold whatever belief they wish. Religion is a man made concept, which you state and is a point I touched upon in a previous post and it is in that where I have difficulty in accepting the existence of a God, particularly when other "man made religions" have their own God and not the God a christian believes in.

I fully respect your belief and the faith you put into that, but if we agree that religion is the cause of many of the ills in the world, do we realy need it...? . The thread of this topic : Which of these is the "one true religion" is a misnomer really as it is thought Judaism is the earliest religion with Christianity being one of the newest where Jesus Christ was the founder. The most telling aspect of your post relates to where you pray and practice your faith in private, we dont need to attend churches, synagogues, mosques or temples to be viewed as righteous or holy, it is what comes from within where the strength of faith is judged. I lead as good and moral life as possible and I dont need religion to guide me in that respect, however I do possess a bible and use it as a moral reference guide as I believe there are some valuable messages held within it.

With or without God we are all brothers and sisters.

Best wishes to you,

Mr Darwin.

Dear Mr.Darwin. thank you. I think manmade religions may have been birthed from the time in the bible when the tower of table was built. Man built it so they could reach God and man tried to become bigger than God. He was not pleased and angry at this so caused them all to start talking in different languages. This caused lots of confusion and I think with each new language these people began to use their own version of biblical events even to the point when started to believe in their own God or Gods. For me there is only one God for all mankind...the bible is like a guide for my everyday council. But for me it is faith, one that I have to work hard at and without it I would be lost again. Blessings always

The tool I acquired was totally against what I believe in, I bought a Bible. Let me make it clear where I stand, I am an evolutionist,

I explained that I acquired a bible for use when discussing issues relating to what it reports, but I have also stated that for me much of what the bible says is myth, particularly the old testament.
Mr Darwin

I bought a bible not to argue about it, but in much the same way you would buy a car manual,

I dont suffer multiple personality disorders,

I dont need a bible to be righteous, that comes from within and via the moral code I conduct myself by

I explained that I acquired a bible for use when discussing issues relating to what it reports, but I have also stated that for me much of what the bible says is myth,


I lead as good and moral life as possible and I dont need religion to guide me in that respect,



however I do possess a bible and use it as a moral reference guide as I believe there are some valuable messages held within it.



Mr Darwin.

I know who I am and what I stand for, and hope that through my example those who look up to me will learn from me and be good people themselves. Reading a bible doesn't make you a good person,

Guest wrote:The tool I acquired was totally against what I believe in, I bought a Bible. Let me make it clear where I stand, I am an evolutionist,

I explained that I acquired a bible for use when discussing issues relating to what it reports, but I have also stated that for me much of what the bible says is myth, particularly the old testament.
Mr Darwin

I bought a bible not to argue about it, but in much the same way you would buy a car manual,

I dont suffer multiple personality disorders,

I dont need a bible to be righteous, that comes from within and via the moral code I conduct myself by

I explained that I acquired a bible for use when discussing issues relating to what it reports, but I have also stated that for me much of what the bible says is myth,


I lead as good and moral life as possible and I dont need religion to guide me in that respect,



however I do possess a bible and use it as a moral reference guide as I believe there are some valuable messages held within it.



Mr Darwin.

I know who I am and what I stand for, and hope that through my example those who look up to me will learn from me and be good people themselves. Reading a bible doesn't make you a good person,

Hi Jenny,

I am not going to argue with you, I am going to ask you a question in the normal arena of debate and trust you will answer it as best you can. Your response to my post was to post my own quotes which explain where I stand in relation to god and the bible. Nothing wrong in that. I must ask however, what point are you trying to make here. My reply to child of god was sent in respect of his faith but to also try and answer why I believe that where belief in god is concerned I have difficulty in that many faith's and cultures worship their own god and so negates the possibility of their being a single over-riding god, if there is a god at all. My message was not questioning why he followed a particular faith or religion, that is his right as is anyone's to believe in what they wish to.

I get the impression you are trying to suggest I have contradicted myself in some way. I dont think I have. It is true, I do own a bible, for the reasons stated. As a tome it holds some valuable moral guidance, I do believe that, but so does Dr spock's book on child rearing or Richard Branson on how to be successful in business. For me the Bible is a reference book, in much the same way as the others I mention. From a religious angle, again it holds no validation for me.

I firmly stand by the fact that I dont need to be religious, read a Bible or attend Church to be a good person. That comes from within and where my own moral compass is set and God and religion have nothing to do with that, but that doesn't mean I am right about religion or god, nor does it mean I am wrong either. It is all a matter of choice for the individual.

Mr Darwin.