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Zanariel wrote:Well, as I see, there are two different groups about 2012. The "maybe true because it can happen" and the "that's stupid".

Maybe true because it can happen includes: Nibiru (as in 'any rogue body with a mass higher than Earth'), wich would 'cause Earth's poles to shift/rearrange the axis/'cause natural disasters/whatever; something about alliens (I can't be arrogant enough to think I'm in the only planet with life in the damn huge Universe); or something to do with the WWIII and the NWO, 'cause we're already seeing the signs that politics, economics, religion, whatever, it's all linked and it's all going mad.

That's stupid includes: Returning of Jesus or Awakening of the Anti-Christ, whatever, it's stupid and unprovable anyway; the twist of dimensions, wich is probably even MORE stupid, if you consider that you have to consider the invisible pink unicorn and the spaghetti monster too, aswell as ghosts and the Still-Alive-Elvis-Presley; the Reptilian things wich live in Earth, seriously, we're 6 billions, we've been in every freaking single corner of the Earth, and we didn't spot those grey bastards? Right.

Well a lot of people said that they have seen the Greys. Some people even claim to have seen the Reptilians (but these claims aren't as popular as sightings of UFOs and the Greys). There's like two NWO theories; one is that the NWO is actually the Illuminati, who work with an alien secret society called Orion or something. When 2012 comes the NWO/Illiminati/Orion will have control of all slave people in the negative world. If people are suppressed from the knowledge of a positive Earth then they wouldn't think any different. And if they came across the info they would think the idea is stupid.
The other NWO theory is religious belief. The Illuminati are a secret society, practising satanism. The plan is to take over the world and make everyone satanic followers or something.

There are so many interesting theories out there it makes my head spin sometimes.

I don't believe in the Greys stuff anyway.

The Illuminati are the Jesuits, according to the second theory. They worship Devil, os Lucifer as they called them. And they control every other religion through the Black Pope. Well, at least that's the history.

And if there was an atheist belief on it, it would be that the Illuminati were just a bunch of money-power hungry maniacs that want control over everything, kill people that dont conform and turn the rest to slaves.Whoever is the ringleader of this society becomes King of Earth, And THAT is what is gonna happen in 2012. No cataclysms, throw in a couple of natural disasters because they happen at least every year.

Placing relevance on dates is useless. There are several calendars in use of which the Gregorian is only one. It's the old argument of "what use is the cross against a Hindu demon when it won't understand the relevance?". Introducing and encouraging such discussion is counter-productive.

jellyslayer wrote:And if there was an atheist belief on it, it would be that the Illuminati were just a bunch of money-power hungry maniacs that want control over everything, kill people that dont conform and turn the rest to slaves.Whoever is the ringleader of this society becomes King of Earth, And THAT is what is gonna happen in 2012. No cataclysms, throw in a couple of natural disasters because they happen at least every year.

Maybe it'll ALL happen. That would be fun! Invaders would look at each other thinking *WTF? I thought we were the prophecy?*. Ok. NVM.

Zanariel wrote:So, it should be 21/12/2112, and not 2012. There would be two opposites, it would make more sense.

Yes, I agree... But we dont know if we are in 2008... Maybe yet in 2012 or even 2014 ?

It must exist in English as well :

http://www.dailymotion.com/playlist/xmy ... -12_webcam

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/se ... -22_webcam

It's incredible...

We don't say that all we can find (concerning 2012) on the Internet is true.

We simply want to analyze the persisting predictions, coming from many sources, totally disconnected between them (Mayas, Saint-Malachy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Malachy , Nostradamus...). And we wish to understand the weakness of our western governments, of the Church as well, their very poor response to all actual challenges as : 1. the global warming, 2. the persecutions of christians and jews by a very active and invasive islam, rather middle-aged than modern and tolerating, 3. the increase of violence of our more and more ignorant and tough youngsters...

The silence of our masters, medias... seems suspicious, as if all mesure was useless, because a major catstrophy was going to erase our civilisation anyway...

We don't know what's going on and when but some signs and facts are pretty strange... A planet, an unborn dwarf star?, heading straight on us? A 3d WW? A nuclear distaster? A global war opposing non muslims against muslims? Something is going to happen and some sources are warning us...

We're looking for some pieces of this bizzare puzzle... made of ancient predictions and recent events, ignored but what seems to be a global lobby, called "government".

Maybe be we can identify the real danger and warn humanity if it's not to late?

Do you know that several countries are massively replacing their civil servants by militaries, like minister's staff or diplomats, for ex?

Conclusion : there is only one evidence : we want to exchange, understand the events and analyze the predictions, and avoid poeple telling us that we should DO NOTHING... (Work, eat and watch TV..., I guess).

Another coincidence : something was found...

http://space.newscientist.com/article/d ... ards-.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u_xIc5myyk

An object in the icy Kuiper belt has been found orbiting the Sun backwards, compared to most other objects in the solar system. It may help explain the origin of an enigmatic family of comets typified by Comet Halley.
The new object, called 2008 KV42, lies in the Kuiper belt, a ring of icy bodies beyond Neptune. Its orbit is inclined 103.5° to the plane of the Earth's orbit, or ecliptic. That means that as it orbits the Sun, it actually travels in the opposite direction to the planets.
Researchers led by Brett Gladman of the University of British Columbia first spotted the maverick object in May. Observations suggest it is about 50 kilometres across and travels on a path that takes it from the distance of Uranus to more than twice that of Neptune (or between 20 and 70 astronomical units from the Sun, with 1 AU being the Earth-Sun distance).
Its orbit appears to have been stable for hundreds of millions of years, but astronomers say it may have been born elsewhere. "It's certainly intriguing to ask where it comes from," says Brian Marsden of the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, Massachusetts.
Gladman says it was probably born in the same place as Halley-type comets. These comets also travel on retrograde or highly tilted orbits lasting between 20 and 200 years, but they come closer to the Sun.

Missing link. It has been unclear where such comets come from. Computer models suggest they do not arise in either of the two birthplaces of other types of comets the Kuiper belt or the much more distant Oort cloud, a shell of of icy bodies lying between 20,000 and 200,000 AU from the Sun.
Gladman's team calculates that 2008 KV42 arises beyond the Kuiper belt but closer than the Oort cloud, in a region thought to lie between 2000 to 5000 AU from the Sun. Some astronomers call the zone the inner Oort cloud.

A gravitational disturbance likely kicked 2008 KV42 out of the inner Oort cloud and to its present orbit. And Gladman says it might one day be pushed out of that orbit and into one that brings it closer to the Sun, making it a possible "transition object" on its way to becoming a Halley-type comet.
Gladman's team has found more than 20 other Kuiper belt objects with steeply inclined orbits while surveying the sky well away from the ecliptic but no others with a retrograde orbit.

What does it mean, with a retrgrade orbit?