Wow! A compliment!

Cheers mate

Well I'll put my $0.02 into this discussion. There does in fact seem to be some support that Planet X does indeed exist. If you search for it - you won't find it - at least by that name. A search of the name 'Sedna' , however, will steer you in the right direction. This was found and confirmed by NASA in 2003.

Background info: The Mayan, Egyptian, and Sumerian cultures ALL have suggested the existence of this celestial object. All three cultures created edifices which mimic or point to stars in the constellation of Orion. From Stitchin and other writers, Planet X has been described/proposed as being of an iron based dwarf star, having an elliptical orbit in binary conjunction with a system in Orion. The orbit was described as being of approx 3600 years in duration and with an intersection involving our sun. These orbital passes supposedly have a variable presentation to our systems ecliptic plane with every third orbital pass (or every 10,500 years) having an ecliptic presentation which presents major problems (magnetic/gravitational effect) for Earth; the next orbital pass is expected to be the problematic one. Planet X was supposedly described/depicted as a huge 'red' object or second sun based on Sumerian culture.

Am I skeptical about the above - YES, but here is the 'stuff' I have a problem with:

1) NASA was very quick to deny the speculation that Sedna was Planet X or Nebiru as it wasn't a 'dwarf star'. Do I 'trust' that answer - not really. Sedna was located in 'deep space'. Sedna has been described by NASA as a dwarf planet and subsequent reports confirmed it as a body comprised of dense iron and markedly red in color. It's surface temperature was reported as being close to that of surrounding space. If the above is true - then how was this 'body' found?? Deep-space is immense and finding a small non-radiating body that far out is impossible - unless - you are specifically looking for it. The finding of Sedna was therefore NOT by chance. Sedna was actually found by researchers looking at points along possible orbital paths between our sun and stars in the Orion constellation and our sun based upon calculations of orbital times noted above. (NASA still had trouble confirming Sedna even after being given the coordinates by the researchers). **Thus the data which appears to have lead to the discovery of Sedna 'appears' strangely accurate and at least worthy of consideration with an open mind.**
2) The 'planet' has been given an estimated orbital period of 10,500 years by NASA - unclear if this supports what was predicted (this was noted to be an estimate by NASA but it is odd that this just happens to be a multiple of the 3500 years noted above)
3) The orbital path was confirmed as being elliptical - supporting what was predicted
3) It's description of being 'red' in color and another report of there being what has described as some 'oily' surface
material IS consistent with what Stitchin wrote about decades earlier as what would be found when Planet X was located. The iron-based properties of this entity are also critically important (consistent with 'red glow' due to heating and enhanced magnetic effects should it actually enter our immediate solar system) as it supports what was predicted.
4) Magnetic effects on light passing through the atmospheres' of some of the outer planets supposedly helped in finding Sedna. If true, this is disturbing as it would confirm that this entity is already showing effects within out solar system.
5) Magnetic Polar Shift - appears probable that it occurs as an abrupt event based upon polarity studies of boundary area rock. (this was originally NOT believed to be the case). If the above is truly accurate, then intersection/interaction with an iron-based planet/star needs to be considered as a potential 'triggering' event. (The current existing theory has been that a 'pole-shift' is due to a shift in magnetic/sun-spot cycles of the sun (this theory never quite worked for me; and it also seems that the sun-spots get conveniently blamed whenever scientists don't have an explanation that fits all the facts)).
6) It was predicted that Tectonic events (earthquakes/vulcanism) would be increased and more severe as Planet X started to influence our solar system. At present we are definitely seeing increased vulcanism on a global scale (along with Yellowstone, new recent increase activity at Kilauea, and just today it was reported that Mt Redoubt in Alaska is expected to have an imminent major eruption. On the surface this increased vulcanism could be a natural cycle, but I will admit that its' timing in conjunction with all the above raises the possibility of there being a far more problematic cause at hand.


So is this topic, and the above, all fantasy , a crock, and the result of overactive imagination? - or were the Sumerians, Egyptians, and Mayans aware of something that we aren''t (but are soon to be). Well - I remain doubtful, but admit there is enough factual information and current events in play for me to keep a very open mind on this topic and consider the possibility that there might be something celestial in the very near future which could pose an unexpected and real threat to life as we know it.


Regards

Couple of problems.

Nobody is yet sure how big sedna actually is, but estimates using many powerfull telescopes that weren't able to detect it - put its upper size limit at 3/4 of pluto.

1) For its gravity to cause problems, it would have to hit us, or graze us and perhaps you'd get some problems.

2) Its orbit is highly elliptical, long period - the best evidence that it is indeed tiny compared to the Nibiru myths. At closest approach to the sun (2075) Sedna will be over 76 AU from the sun; more than twice as far as Pluto is now. We will never see it.

3) Orbital period is between 10 500 and 12 000 years, not accurate enough to support period claims.

4) It's red appearance is thought to be due to hydrocarbons, tholin, methanol, and methane.

I could go on, but its obvious Sedna isn't the culprit. It's interesting, no doubt, but it simply doesn't come here.

Here's a scholarly paper* that provides the different definitions of Nibiru, depending on the context in which it's found in the Enuma Elish that substantially undermines Sitchin's interpretation. In astronomical texts and/or contexts "Nibiru is never identified as a planet beyond Pluto." It's also referred to as a Star (distinguished from Jupiter), and a God (Marduk).
Sitchin ignores the esoteric spirit/matter symbolism veiled in the Sumerian religion, which you'll find in all religions and assumes an exoteric, physical, planetary Nibiru that causes chaos and destruction in our solar system every 3600 years.
As I've said elsewhere, the Great Pyramid of Giza was built roughly 4500 years ago by King Khufu, or 12,500 years ago by Thoth, the Atlantian (take your pick), which means that Nibiru would have entered our solar system either once or twice after the pyramid was built, and didn't affect the tilt of the earth on its axis, because the shafts in the pyramid are still aligned with the stars. It hasn't affected the asteroid belt either, so, why anyone would want to fret about this unscientific hypothesis (no celestial mechanics theorem to support it) is beyond me.
Best regards from the Land of Oz,
Dean Sloan Theosophical Metaphysicist & amateur astronomer
http://www.qdeansloan.com
* The Myth of a Sumerian 12th Planet: "Nibiru" According to the Cuneiform Sources
Michael S. Heiser, Ph.D. candidate, Hebrew Bible and Ancient Semitic Languages
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3649832/The-Myth-of-a-Sumerian-12Th-Planet-Nibiru

to start with yea im only 17 and have spelling problems so sorry if people don't understand.

OK right this subject really gets to me i love "Conspiracy Theory's" Some i believe and some i don't this one id rather not to believe. but yet again if its going to happen its going to happen. and so far all the so called "Proof" people have is only theory's... and that is NOT proper proof at all. Yes people say that it will happen in years 21.12.2012 so people say. but if that was true then things would have started happening now. people say that because of this planets changes and even changes on other planets are happening because on this planet x, other than this all is happening because there is a "decree" not a "increase" in our solar system changes... and if planet x was true it would be an increase. thats one of the things that really make me think that all this is a load of.... s**t

- How come no one has the co-ordinates for this planet/star/comet or what ever people say it is.
- No one has been on the news or in the papers about finding even bits of proof of it.
- There would be MUCH bigger changes by now if this was going to happen
- EVERYONE would know about it for safety
- Governments all over the world would be planning to try and save as many people as they could

This happens all the time people saying that this will happen in this year or that will happen in so many years like 2000... apparently everyone was going to die then because some kind of calender in some religion ended, or in 2003 the same thing was going to happen. look ANYTHING can happen at anytime... people can walk out their house and get hit by a bus... people don't plan that. or massive storms that kill thousands of people do people plan that too? no they find out about it days before it happens not years, the gap between now and then is TOO big for full scientific proof exactly the same as people cant say that there will be a tsunami this time next year.

i think that some people see this as a joke.

here is my theory: the world won't end...

there is a theory that the world is going to end in 9 days from this post and this is the 3rd "end of the world theory" this year. I'm pretty sure that it will be someones end of the world on 21 dec 2012. The year 2012 is a very nice year to say "twenty twelve"... that is a very unique thing to have.

also... technology has only recently come around. and we all need something to talk about. the world ending is quite a profitable topic. i know for a fact that this 2012 thing has produced $/£millions. from books/advertising(at the top of this site)/mugs/t-shirts...
I'm cool with that and if it's something that is going to effect the way you live then you need to re-think.

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chosenone wrote:

NoPlanetX wrote:Unfortunately, should your theory be true, your Star X may not be as far off as you say. When you say we've been around that long, you jump to say it shouldn't be due for another 10 thousand years. However, unless you have poof it came through right before Man evolved, there's no telling when it's due back or when it last came (After all, there would be nothing that could record the event that we know of). However, people do believe our Sun is in binary orbit. Of course, they believe in a Brown Dwarf called, not Planet X or it's many aliases, but Nemesis. It is believed Nemesis is an "evil twin" of our sun and now shares a binary orbit with it. I'm not sure if they have a due date for it, but it will essentially kill us all should it come through our solar system. Also, do you know what kind of star your Star X is? Is it a Brown Dwarf? Is it even a star at all?

I believe x is not a star but a planet. It travels between our sun and another. I believe that the other sun is known as serious b. X is on its way and is already inside our solar system. It will not destroy all life on Earth.
The ones who made us have a plan in place. It is a massive ark,and can sustain around 2 billion people. This ark we call the moon,and is standing ready for this event.

Guys. The Nibirunian System is on the way. It is not the star of Sirius (A, B & C) as they are their own trinary system. Many are now coming out with all kinds of real data so please go and investigate before you spout stuff you really know nothing about.
So far this is what I've found and I invite you to search engine all words associated with Nibiru/Nemesis/Brown Dwarf/dark star and other names to start fishing out the truth. There's a lot to sift through, mind you, but if you really want to know something, researching it is the only way.
Nemesis is the name given to the object of destruction in the Kolbrin Bible that comes about every few thousand years to cleanse earth of its evil. Kolbrin is the one that quotes this object as having many eyes ever changing. Nibiru, in Stitchen's works, is a planet according to the Sumerians. This planet's sun is described as "dying and very faint". This is also a clue that this phenomenon is not a planet. I'll tell you why and really it surprises me that you don't know it - planets do not have enough gravitational force to have elongated orbits around their sun. Stars do, comets have the thrust via sling shot action from the sun, but not planets. They have to be within a gravitational force to travel - thus the brown dwarf.
Some governments are beginning to realize the levity of the situation and are leaking info to the people. At first, they thought that they would enforce their 90% extinction level acceptance with little resistance from the public. Now that these super flus and other diseases they've invested in as part of their population controls have not done their job, they thought to leave the Nibirunian system to do the job for them. Yes, the 300 commission got the entire world to build D.U.M.B.s, even pitching in money to the Soviets - who only had to agree not to tell the public. The elite would ride out the passing of this mini solar system while the rest of us are spitting mad and dying because our tax dollar paid for the rich to lay up safe during this event.
Call me crazy, but this was touched upon during one of Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory shows. They even showed guys buying long decommissioned missile silos and turning them into Nemesis condos for the rich who can't get into D.U.M.B.s.
What's needed people, is the truth. The most recent pics of the brown dwarf are available on line. I first saw it at Goddard in one of their visitor's centers - they had to take it down because they couldn't answer questions on what it was and why it was unnamed (it has too many to tell the truth!). Oh, and have you ever witnessed people reveling in an inside joke? Example: They are like those speaking a different language - if they assume you don't know, they talk using their language as a secret barrier, all the while laughing at you. Example: fat American woman walking in front of two Chinese women who are laughing at her obesity in their language, comfortable to do so because they are sure she doesn't know Chinese. This is what all governments, not just the US are doing. They are faking the daily routine until they can't do it anymore and then they go to the D.U.M.B.s and just leave us holding the bag. US helped most build D.U.M.B.s with US citizen tax money and with that money, saving their asses and throwing wild parties while you, the people who paid for their arc parties will be dying in the streets for their amusement (yup, that's the real reason for the surveillance cameras all over Britain and the US - think Death Race and you'll get it!).
This has always been the game run against you. They make up words and meanings you think you know, but in actuality, you don't. Thus when the end comes you will find the elite gone in their D.U.M.B.s while you are looking for asbestos underwear.
Back to Nibirunian system dynamics. So there is the brown dwarf that most call Nemesis and the possible planet Nibiru and guess what - a least 7 to 12 other orbiting satellites around the brown dwarf. Now are you starting to get the picture? You don't have one or two but almost a dozen in bounds all with varying orbits around their home star (brown dwarf) headed straight for us. Any one of these in bounds has the potential to knock us out of orbit or smash us to pieces, or make us flatter than we really are (interesting note: if you removed all the bodies of water on Earth, the Earth would not be round like you think - but to the Flat Earth Society; it still wouldn't be perfectly flat either.).
Now, before you panic, let's look at this logically: This is survivable! The Earth is currently 4,500,092,000 years old (4.5 Billion), divide that by 3600 years and you come up with 12,500 times this event has happened in our solar system. Earth is still here. Yes, there has been several extinction level events, remember the dinosaurs ladies and gents, and regardless of damages (pot holes on the moon for one) the Earth is still here. What is the difference between those events and this one? Humans have the technology to get through it as well as document it for posterity and use this info to make us as a human race stronger. Or, we can remain on the elite's dumb down schedule of destruction by bickering over the measly crumbs of info they let us have until a satellite takes us out.
Now, how to survive this: Until the trajectory info is released to the public, all I can say is use your common sense. Get out of areas that have prophecy attached to it. Hey, until the truth is told, it is all you have. Realize that heavy stuff may come from the skies - find a place that will accommodate you during these storms. Avoid places known for seismic activity because this thing is predicted to shake the entire Earth like a washing machine (Hopi Prophecy Rock). Better still, some D.U.M.B.s from the 50's were abandoned for more favorable sites (hint: there is an east coast fault line that may make some states like PA unstable) leaving equipment and possible supplies. They won't destroy them in case they are needed in the future, but won't claim them either. If you research wisely, you can take care of you and yours during these soon to be trying times. Or you can get a job with that part of the government and save your butt. Doesn't guarantee that your family will be permitted to go, but se la! http://www.simplyhired.com/a/local-jobs/city/l-Mount+Weather,+VA
http://www.ufomind.com/area51/org/security/sec_man/sec_man.shtml
And remember, the info is out there. All you have to do is look for it instead of dismissing it with opinions. You have very little time left.

First of all, I must greet this particular thread as being mostly quite mature and plausible, given that it consists mostly of theories, which are probably all we may have. About being plausible, a theory should present sustainability to some degree, in which some people have tried their best. But what bothers me too often around this whole subject is the general attitude: probably wise thoughts, but often presented quite arrogantly and self-assured. An interesting point of view can be lost if the text is prone to serious misinterpretations. Everything one says or writes should be carefully thought out. Numerical data is universal and safe, and internet links and other referred sources properly presented, or otherwise the point may be treated as an idea theft or self-generated nonsense from the beginning! We do have quite a lot to sift in the internet when guessing what a person may quote. These are some of the problems with the internet in general, added with the tone of the discussions.

If it is all just theories we have, then boasting, aggressive, fanatic doom day or religious attitude won´t be too constructive. Instead, an eclectic person might try to form a logical synthesis, in co-operation by most information and opinions notified.

The 2012 issue is more a philosophical than technical study to me. As no undeniable conclusions can be found, I am trying to form some kind of synthesis for myself. And since most of the related points of views are obtainable only from the internet, I find myself offended too often in the net with this great subject.

It took 4 hours to write, translate words from my mother tongue, consider, edit, add, remove, consider again and to accept even this short text.

You may also like to visit my topic, Alternative thoughts about 2012, on the topic list. Please do make comments there if desired.

My theory can make Nibiru fit which to say the least is beyond pseudo-science, but it is still a cool idea to think about. What if the ancient cultures of the past did refer to Nibiru, Nemesis, Frightener, Destroyer, Wormwood, Red Comet, Blue Star- Planet-X. My theory could make this all work however ridiculous the whole Nibiru thing maybe. The common theory states that Nibiru has a orbit between 3,600 and 4,000 years. I have found that by using a 3,200 to 3,250 year orbit it fits in with the Last Ice Age 26,000 years ago in conjunction with the beginning of the soon to end full Galactic orbit and second crossing of our solar system through the Galactic center. That's right, I think our solar system crosses the Galactic center twice in one full 26,000 year cycle. 13,000 years ago this may have happened in conjunction with Nibiru, and may happen again soon. The affects to Earth depends on where Nibiru enters or exits our solar system in relationship the Earths' location. Some work to show the theory..... Nibiru ---->3,250 year orbit The Dark ages. and the account of the Sun standing still in a biblical battle approx. 1,190 BC. 3,250 - 2012 = 1,188. 13,000 years ago the Younger Drius Event----> 3,250 X 4 orbits = 13,000. The last Ice Age 26,000 years ago----> 3,250 X 8 = 26,000.

NM156 wrote:My theory can make Nibiru fit which to say the least is beyond pseudo-science, but it is still a cool idea to think about. What if the ancient cultures of the past did refer to Nibiru, Nemesis, Frightener, Destroyer, Wormwood, Red Comet, Blue Star- Planet-X. My theory could make this all work however ridiculous the whole Nibiru thing maybe. The common theory states that Nibiru has a orbit between 3,600 and 4,000 years. I have found that by using a 3,200 to 3,250 year orbit it fits in with the Last Ice Age 26,000 years ago in conjunction with the beginning of the soon to end full Galactic orbit and second crossing of our solar system through the Galactic center. That's right, I think our solar system crosses the Galactic center twice in one full 26,000 year cycle. 13,000 years ago this may have happened in conjunction with Nibiru, and may happen again soon. The affects to Earth depends on where Nibiru enters or exits our solar system in relationship the Earths' location. Some work to show the theory..... Nibiru ---->3,250 year orbit The Dark ages. and the account of the Sun standing still in a biblical battle approx. 1,190 BC. 3,250 - 2012 = 1,188. 13,000 years ago the Younger Drius Event----> 3,250 X 4 orbits = 13,000. The last Ice Age 26,000 years ago----> 3,250 X 8 = 26,000.

Oh dear. The idea that we will soon end a full galactic orbit is ludicrous. One can only say a full orbit has ended/begun if one knows where the orbit started and this is something that cannot be determined, ever. It takes approximately 225 million years for our system to complete one revolution and since the formation of the solar system it has done around 20 orbits of the galaxy. However as the are many, many gravitational influences and perturbations on every celestial body even winding back 20 revolutions means we would be nowhere near the birthplace of the sun. This crap about the galactic crossing has to nipped in the bud. At the moment we are some 32 million light years ABOVE the plane of the galaxy and still rising out of the plane. It takes many millions of years to move above and back below the plane and it is only when we pass through the denser part of the milky way and encounter gas clouds that there may be a raised chance of comets being pushed into the inner part of the solar system. All the talk of 3200/3500 year cycles are spurious. The 26,000 year cycle refers to the precession of the pole star. 12,000 years from now the pole will point to Vega, the bright blue star visible in the northern hemisphere summer; 3-4000 years ago it was Thuban in Draco [now a dim star nowhere near the celestial pole] now of course it's Polaris.
Do a bit of elementary astronomical research and go to a reputable site - avoid wikipedia as a primary source.