The scientific upheavel over 2012 is due to the concern never before dealt with .... I cannot tell you how the Mayans knew astronomy as well as they did, but in May of 2012 the entirety of our universe is set to completely line up....
Problem: with this, is they have no idea how the orbital fields will react to this phenomenon.... Theories are abundant
Some grave....some minor .... Point is on both a scientific front and theology front .....both are scarred

"the entirety of our universe is set completely to line up....". Line up with what? The universe is everything there is. I think
you are referring to the the erroneous belief that our solar system will align with the plane of our galaxy (Milky Way). It
is not, and if it did there would be no noticeable gravitational effects. The people who present this "theory" are not unlike
those who a few years ago predicted that a planetary alignment was going to cause great disasters. The planets
aligned (approximately) and nothing happened.

There is no giant planet entering our solar system. If there was its gravitational effects would already be apparent. There
is no Planet X, Nibiru, or whatever. It's all nonsense. They want you to believe that every astronomer and astrophysicist
on earth is part of a conspiricy to keep this information secret. This is rediculous.

The Mayans were excellent recorders of astronomical observations. Nothing more. The have'nt predicted anything,
Neither has anyone else. Makes people rich selling books though.

Sonole, there is nothing whatsoever scientific about your statement.

Do you understand that we cannot even SEE the entirity of our universe???
Most of what we can see is billions of years in the past, so how could we possibly know.........the mayans were not our equals. They simply did not have the knowledge of physics, mathmatics, nor the technology to understand the universe at anywhere near our level
If your talking about our sun alligning with the galactic centre - wrong, it will pass 6 degrees to one side of it like every other year.
Planetary allignment - wrong, apart from the ususal oppositions and conjunctions that happen every year.

Ill say it again, nobody has taken me up yet....show me your scientific evidence. If its some book full of doomsday advice you brought at a book store - well, that is not evidence - its a cashgrab. You've been taken for a ride.

No one can predict the end of the world because as the Bible says.. the day will come like a thief in the night.

No one in this day and age can actually explain anything about it, because the Mayans knew it all and it's obviously very impossible to try and find out.
People cannot say whether it's true or false because how would you know? yeah all this stuff seems extravagant but really we wouldn't actually know.

I have done a lot of research on this because i am actually really fascinated by it, and i reckon something will happen either good or bad or maybe both or nothing will happen.
it's just a prediction though so no one knows if it is true or false until the time comes.
And just because we live in a world today that we have quite good technology, doesn't mean we know everything.

The Mayans predicted there was going to be a new messiah...and there was Jesus. I don't believe in god but if their predicting that and know there was a Jesus that lived thousands of years ago, then I reckon this actually could be a bit true.

It doesn't matter whether The Mayans didn't have the technology and stuff to predict these things, Because they found there own accessible way of doing this.

Everything about this seems complicated.

We have the bible telling us all these things but are they really all true?

If it was to be the end of the world then how would you know it wasn't?

the end of the world could happen at anytime, something with the planet could go wrong at any time, we don't know.

How would you know when the worlds going to end? It can happen anytime, something could randomly go wrong in the universe and a asteroid could hit earth and destroy us, but no one knows. No one can ever explain neither could a scientist or anyone. No one can say it's false or it's true because anything could happen at anytime without us even knowing it so i believe that no one could give a true statement that this is true or false. Everything I've said above especially about that prediction about Jesus no one can ever know, no one this day can say anything because we weren't in their times to actually know what they actually did to predict this stuff, so you cannot say ' oh it's bullsh*t' because how would you know ? you weren't there in them times and you don't know what they actually did to make these predictions.

My E-mail is steph_brotherstone@hotmail.co.uk, if you have other opinions i would like you tell me, i would like to hear other peoples views on this, just send a message, but not on this site because I don't check on this, I'd rather you tell me by e-mail.

I haven't included everything i want to say on this but i think this is enough to be honest, because there are a million things to said about this.

thankyou.


xo Steph

how do we know were real even? Like you feel real...but are you?
Craziest most eerie thing you can think of is...where did matter come from.
You can begin with a tree for example.
It grew from nutrients from the soil and by means of water. But where did the soil come from or the water even? Well they both are part of our planet but where did our planet come from?
Some cosmic explosion? Ok, but the stuff inside the explosion or that caused it, where did that come from? Like did all the gas in the universe just magically appear at some point? No of course it couldn't have. All the rock matter that makes up planets, the sun? Like the sun is burning gas...but where did that gas start off from? If you link all the events that happened to form anything in the universe it has to have started somewhere and like even if a god created the universe..how did it even come to be and where did it get its mats to make the universe? lololo

Matter of any form must have come into existence somehow but how or from where...that is crazy and gives me the chills thinking of it all.
I get the feeling there is something or things that did something, but like whether it's a being of some kind i mean that's a man made concept...like it could be something we can't even possibly think of, beyond our imagination. It could even be like some kind of unconscious massive living thing like a plant...lol sounds crazy but i don't mean literally it could be a plant but using a plant like as an example that it's most likely nothing like we think of it as, a god, an all powerful being watching us from somewhere...or maybe it is but who knows, but there's something or somethings that started all the matter and events at some point.

whoaaaaoooaaaa wrote:how do we know were real even? Like you feel real...but are you?
Craziest most eerie thing you can think of is...where did matter come from.
You can begin with a tree for example.
It grew from nutrients from the soil and by means of water. But where did the soil come from or the water even? Well they both are part of our planet but where did our planet come from?
Some cosmic explosion? Ok, but the stuff inside the explosion or that caused it, where did that come from? Like did all the gas in the universe just magically appear at some point? No of course it couldn't have. All the rock matter that makes up planets, the sun? Like the sun is burning gas...but where did that gas start off from? If you link all the events that happened to form anything in the universe it has to have started somewhere and like even if a god created the universe..how did it even come to be and where did it get its mats to make the universe? lololo

Matter of any form must have come into existence somehow but how or from where...that is crazy and gives me the chills thinking of it all.
I get the feeling there is something or things that did something, but like whether it's a being of some kind i mean that's a man made concept...like it could be something we can't even possibly think of, beyond our imagination. It could even be like some kind of unconscious massive living thing like a plant...lol sounds crazy but i don't mean literally it could be a plant but using a plant like as an example that it's most likely nothing like we think of it as, a god, an all powerful being watching us from somewhere...or maybe it is but who knows, but there's something or somethings that started all the matter and events at some point.

God travels back in time and makes him/herself... Time is a loop... energy seeping through from another plane of existence (or time) converted to matter due to a lack of some physical force that didn't exist back then

Who says there has to be a 'first cause'? hehehe

ddd wrote:Sonole, there is nothing whatsoever scientific about your statement.

Do you understand that we cannot even SEE the entirity of our universe???
Most of what we can see is billions of years in the past, so how could we possibly know.........the mayans were not our equals. They simply did not have the knowledge of physics, mathmatics, nor the technology to understand the universe at anywhere near our level
If your talking about our sun alligning with the galactic centre - wrong, it will pass 6 degrees to one side of it like every other year.
Planetary allignment - wrong, apart from the ususal oppositions and conjunctions that happen every year.

I'll say it again, nobody has taken me up yet....show me your scientific evidence. If its some book full of doomsday advice you brought at a book store - well, that is not evidence - its a cashgrab. You've been taken for a ride.

Anyone who believes that some ancient Mexicans predicted anything is a moron. Wouldn't they have foretold their very own demise. It's BS, i only wish it was true to be alive during some mass extinction other than slow global warming. It would really be cool.

engineerretired wrote:"the entirety of our universe is set completely to line up....". Line up with what? The universe is everything there is. I think
you are referring to the the erroneous belief that our solar system will align with the plane of our galaxy (Milky Way). It
is not, and if it did there would be no noticeable gravitational effects. The people who present this "theory" are not unlike
those who a few years ago predicted that a planetary alignment was going to cause great disasters. The planets
aligned (approximately) and nothing happened.

There is no giant planet entering our solar system. If there was its gravitational effects would already be apparent. There
is no Planet X, Nibiru, or whatever. It's all nonsense. They want you to believe that every astronomer and astrophysicist
on earth is part of a conspiricy to keep this information secret. This is rediculous.

The Mayans were excellent recorders of astronomical observations. Nothing more. The have'nt predicted anything,
Neither has anyone else. Makes people rich selling books though.

You should initiate a thread outlining this info, and I, for one, will respond on a weekly basis just to keep it prominent. I know you've responded to this type of post numerous times(and made a post detailing it seems, but the search function rarely works here ), but it doesn't bother me reading them at all.

I'll see a post of this nature and think ..."lets see what engineerretired has to say about this"

ko3 wrote: Anyone who believes that some ancient Mexicans predicted anything is a moron. Wouldn't they have foretold their very own demise. It's BS, i only wish it was true to be alive during some mass extinction other than slow global warming. It would really be cool.

Cool! You think it would be "COOL"!!! wink, wink