Atlantian wrote:Mr Darwin is Area 51 also in the realms of sci-fi? The US government says Area 51 don’t exist and is a figment of a conspiracy to undermine the government.
I have seen in my travels in the spiritual realm the craft being made ready for launching next year, it has already been flying around the world and been seen in different countries.
There are no aliens just spiritual beings who are inhabiting human bodies and are involved with world Governments, they have been deceiving mankind for thousands of years

Mr Darwin wrote:Atlantian,

Area 51 is a supposed US military zone which is said to contain evidence from the "Roswell"" incident or at least that is what they would have us believe. All the US government has to do is provide unequivocal proof of the existance of this being that many believe they are housing there to finally nail all of the conspiracy theories and other conjecture around this issue. They wont do that because it gives them the upper hand over the populace, and should it be found that all of this is a hoax it makes the government look like a sham. There is nothing to be gained by the US government if they come clean and they would lose so much more if it is proved a hoax..

For the record, the US government has never claimed they have a captured UFO or aliens (except for the day of the Roswell incident which they immediately back pedaled on) at Area 51. And there has been plenty of denials as well. So if it turns out to be a hoax the government has nothing to lose nor would they be embarrased by it. Ironically, they may be encouraging sightings, or been mum about them, because UFO sightings are the perfect cover for testing new aircraft. It keeps the compeition guessing if everyone goes around saying they saw a UFO.

In all my years I have never been witness to anything which I would assume was a UFO, given that you claim these craft have been seen by many in different countries I would have thought I would be aware of this phenomena and that someone would have reported seeing such a craft here in the UK, but alas such reports have not been forthcoming, unless of course our alien visitors thought our little island wasn't important enough to warrant a visit.

Surprisingly, I have....twice! Both times I witnessed a UFO it was during the early 1970's. The first time was during winter around 2 AM. I remember, it was right after Don Kirschner's Rock Concert (a weekly TV series). I was leaving my best friend's house and happened to notice a bright white light hovering over some corn fields. The ground was covered in snow and was reflecting the light brightly, which is probably why I noticed it. I ran back inside the house and said, "Tommy, Nicky, you guys have to see this thing! There's a UFO over Davis' pastures!" Nicky is Tommy's older brother and loved to pick on me. So when he said it was too cold, I promised that I would stand still and let him knock the sh*t out of me if there was nothing there. Fortunately it was still there. Nicky ran back inside to grab his camera and began snapping photos. Unfortunately the light was too bright and over powered the lens. While we were watching it shot straight up and then disappeared. Any human in that craft would have been squashed flat by the velocity.

The second time was around 6 months later during the middle of summer. It was dusk and I was playing baseball with around 12 of my friends under a street light. Someone in the outfield (or should I say street? ) yelled out, "What the hell is that?", and when we all looked, I recognized the light as similar to what I had witnessed previously. But this time it was flying extremely fast! After it had passed by, shortly after we saw a couple of military jets chasing after it but they were doing a very poor job at keeping up! Where I lived as a child there is no airport close by, so when i usually saw a plane in the sky, it looked like a speck with wings because it they are so high up. But this light and the military jets were low enough that you could tell what they were. Or at least the military jets you could. The light looked just like......a huge white orb!

Based on my experience I'm not so quick to dismiss the experience of others. While I know many alleged sightings can be rationally explained, enough of them cannot be, just as my sightings could not. To this day I have no idea what I witnessed. All I know is it was a bright white orb. I'm sure it had a shape but it was impossible to see due to the brightness of the light. And while they appeared to be intelligently controlled, I have no idea who or what was controlling them. The only thing I am sure of is I had witnessed something unidentified, twice, and I had plenty of witnesses!

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Atlantian wrote:Mr Darwin,

Area 51 is a secrete base for building and testing aircraft and spaceships. One of which is regularly tested and can be seen in different parts of the world. This craft is for the salvation of the physical Earth after the destruction and for the spiritual beings who are trying control our development.

At present we are unable to move outside this physical sphere, however by meditation it is possible to enter the real world (spiritually). The only way out of this world is at the death of the body.

So one asks why suffer in this physical world?

There are rules to follow, and one of them is the need to pass through this world of the physical before entering the real world of light and security. One has to suffer to see if they are able to live in the real world outside of this physical one.

If by committing suicide one thinks they are short circuiting this experience of life than they have not understood the rules and are sent back to continue until they learn.

Hence the feeling of de ja vue.

Atlantian,

Let's look at this issue from your point of view. Area 51 is a test base for space and scientific research, mainly in aeronautics. the difficulty I have with this programme they are working on is why all the secrecy. if this project is geared towards a salvation mission and these space craft people report seeing is this governmental spaceship, why not come clean. Truth is the government want the people to believe they have witnessed a UFO, it is a form of control and that is not in the spirit of democracy.

Am I a spiritual person, I would say so. I can accept spirituality, is there an afterlife, I cannot say for sure. I tend to believe that when you die, that is it, the end. As for commiting suicide, it takes a very brave but equally desperate and tormented soul to go that far, the reasons for commiting suicide are varied and many, but that shouldn't mean you are adjudged to have defaulted and so are sent to exist in purgatory until you learn some lesson or other. Once the physical body dies, whether that is through illness, an accident or even suicide, the same applies, that is it. there are no second chances.

What is the spirit. Is it an unseen attachment to the physical body, or could it be that element that is sparked in the brain and manifested in the heart, IE : He shown great spirit and heart to get through that, is it also attached to the physical and then dies with the physical body. It is often said the spirit is likened to a candle burning brightly and is just as easily snuffed out like a candle flame. It is a similar debate to what is consciousness...? and what is it's source, it's relation to the physical body....? .

the suffering aspect of your post, in order to move on, belongs more in religion, the, "Jesus died on the cross for our sins" belief system. To be able to really explain any of it, one has to die first and then return. I know I am going to be bombarded with spiritual and religious philosophy for saying that, but that is the only way, and as yet no-one has yet managed to achieve that, unless of course you believe the bible or count ghostly apparitions.

We have all experienced Deja vu at some time or other. It is a trick of the mind where past events come to the fore and are transposed in the mind as though you are actually living that moment for the first time and yet your mind is telling you that you have been there before and know what is going to happen next. I am a firm believer in what I can see and what I can further research. The subject of space craft, ET's UFO's etc.. for me, have no foundation in the real world, maybe because I have no experiences which could be attributed to an encounter of those kinds. However, you have raised some very interesting and valid points in your post, particularly about death and the spirit world, which could be a whole new debate, of which fascinates me. I respect your views and know I can come across as churlish sometimes, that is never my intention, I look forward to any further theories you may have regarding this discussion.

Mr Darwin.

Mr Darwin

Think what would happen if the public were to be told there was a space ship being prepared for an Exodus for a up and coming apocalyptic event. Total rebellion, why continue to pay tax ect, ect, ect.

The Governments don’t have to say anything and choose to stay quiet, else they would be unable to control the populace.

There is not an after life as such, but there is a rebirth into a spiritual being enriched with the experience of having lived a physical life filled with practical experiences of overcoming hardships and problems. Committing suicide seems the easy way out that is until you enter the spiritual realm. When one enters the spiritual side after committing suicide and experience what there is they realise too late and want to go back. So they are sent back through the light to be born again forgetting in the process the experience of the spiritual side. When on approaching the point in life one experiences de ja vue it is a warning that what happens next could lead to a suicidal death.

To continue along the path of life following through and withstanding the problems of life without committing suicide makes one an over comer adequate credentials for entering the spiritual realm.

This Earthly psychical world should have been a paradise to learn before moving into the spiritual realm but the dark side took control when the Lords of Atlantis gave up their power and became human. These dark spiritual beings have only one thing and that’s to remain in control of their domain. But the Lords of Atlantis are about to regain their powers after thousands of years and restore the damage done to this Earth, but first Atlantis needs to be raised out of the depths.

To cause this to happen the Earth has to be realigned and so the comet will be used to tip the Earth back to it’s original Atlantis axis. This would mean the pyramids on Giza would once again be surrounded with water.

Mr Darwin wrote:Atlantian,

Tell me what you are smoking or what other substance you are taking. This is not in the realm of rationality and is not debate of any kind. It adds nothing to anything. Do you just say things for the sake of it. It may have it's place in a sci-fi comic, but that is about all.

Mr Darwin.

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Atlantian wrote:Mr Darwin

Think what would happen if the public were to be told there was a space ship being prepared for an Exodus for a up and coming apocalyptic event. Total rebellion, why continue to pay tax ect, ect, ect.

The Governments don’t have to say anything and choose to stay quiet, else they would be unable to control the populace.

And Therin lies my whole contention. It is about control and has always been about control, whether there is any truth in it or not. The government know they have the upper hand and they are not going to relinquish that at any cost to themselves.

There is not an after life as such, but there is a rebirth into a spiritual being enriched with the experience of having lived a physical life filled with practical experiences of overcoming hardships and problems. Committing suicide seems the easy way out that is until you enter the spiritual realm. When one enters the spiritual side after committing suicide and experience what there is they realise too late and want to go back. So they are sent back through the light to be born again forgetting in the process the experience of the spiritual side. When on approaching the point in life one experiences de ja vue it is a warning that what happens next could lead to a suicidal death.

Have you committed suicide. Obviously not. So how can you claim to have an insight into what happens when you supposedly find yourself in this spiritual realm and realise it's not what you really intended and thus want to return. I have not died as yet and cannot justifiably claim there is no afterlife, my view is based on the fact that our physical body is matter, which has an expiry date. When that expiry date is reached it dies and that is the end of our existance. The whole crux of this is that there are a lot of mitigating factors which dictate when each of us die, Illness, accidents and other reasons which go towards us dying sooner or later, and because these factors are so random and are non discriminate it supports the theory of a total end.

To continue along the path of life following through and withstanding the problems of life without committing suicide makes one an over comer adequate credentials for entering the spiritual realm.

This physical life that we all enjoy is paved with trials and tribulations, how we face up to these determines what level of success we make of our lives. However, we get one crack at it and once it's done, it's done. You could look back on your life and be filled with regrets or you can say, "Well, I had a go and give it my best shot, I am thankful for what I gained in this life and I can depart from this earth, safe in the knowledge I did my level best. There is a Neil Diamond song which sums it up perfectly. It is entitled "Done too soon" To quote :

And each one there, had one thing they shared, they had sweated beneath the same sun, looked up in wonder at the same moon, and wept when it was all done, for being done too soon, for being done too soon.

This tells us that it is over. Their chance came and went. The end.

Mr Darwin.

Atlantian wrote: the Lords of Atlantis gave up their power and became human.

Atlantian wrote: But the Lords of Atlantis are about to regain their powers after thousands of years

If the Lords became human (why?) how could they be around for thousands of years. If they are immortal they are not human.
Just curious.

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Mr Darwin wrote:Atlantian,

Tell me what you are smoking or what other substance you are taking. This is not in the realm of rationality and is not debate of any kind. It adds nothing to anything. Do you just say things for the sake of it. It may have it's place in a sci-fi comic, but that is about all.

Mr Darwin.

punk

Thank you for your enlightened view, that has really added something to the debate, NOT !

I was one of 6 High Angels with spiritual power and authority over the new natural creation of Earth, we founded Atlantis before man was created.
Lucifer who was Gods favourite was given the reptilian race to nurture and look after that God had created first. The reptilians lived and thrived in the cities and colonies of Atlanta. When God created man Lucifer wanted them as well, but God gave the advancement of His new creation He made out of dust to us the 7 Lords of Atlantis.
Before the destruction of Atlantis and the off world colonies 6 of us decided to give up our position and become human so we became man without the spiritual powers.
To cut a long story short I and the other Lords of Atlantis have been traveling through different lifetimes ever since until now when I believe we are going to receive all our spiritual powers back and move the human race forward into a new era filled with light.

Atlantian wrote:There is not an after life as such, but there is a rebirth into a spiritual being enriched with the experience of having lived a physical life filled with practical experiences of overcoming hardships and problems.

Please expand on your statement that, "there is not an afterlife as such..." The rest of your statement I have no problem with. However, I have a feeling if we dug a little deeper, we would probably disagree. But hey, it's all faith anyway! Right?

Committing suicide seems the easy way out that is until you enter the spiritual realm. When one enters the spiritual side after committing suicide and experience what there is they realise too late and want to go back. So they are sent back through the light to be born again forgetting in the process the experience of the spiritual side. When on approaching the point in life one experiences de ja vue it is a warning that what happens next could lead to a suicidal death.

Again, since we are talking about faith, I can't say you're wrong, but I do disagree. I do not believe a suicide is required to repeat life if it's determined to be too tough for the soul. There are other ways to spiritually progress without experiencing physical existence anywhere in our physical universe, or at least what we refer to as physical. As for being given another opportunity at life, in my faith we all reincarnate, by choice. None of it is forced on us. But I do agree that we go through a forgetfulness process of not just the spiritual realm, which I believe is our true home, but of our previous lives as well. A remembrance could potentially influence our current life by distracting us from the goal(s) we set for ourselves.

To continue along the path of life following through and withstanding the problems of life without committing suicide makes one an over comer adequate credentials for entering the spiritual realm.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this. In my faith no credentials are required since it is our true home and we are only visiting this universe. What you are suggesting would the same as saying the door has been locked behind you when you step outside of your home and the only way you can enter it again is to complete some task. While I can't say you're wrong, I do strongly disagree with this belief.

This Earthly psychical world should have been a paradise to learn before moving into the spiritual realm but the dark side took control when the Lords of Atlantis gave up their power and became human. These dark spiritual beings have only one thing and that’s to remain in control of their domain. But the Lords of Atlantis are about to regain their powers after thousands of years and restore the damage done to this Earth, but first Atlantis needs to be raised out of the depths.

Okay, now you lost me. You are making a definitive claim for the previous/current existence of the Lords of Atlantis, which you believe yourself to be one, and such outrageous claims require outrageous proof. I have asked you in the past to support your claims but you dodge the requests. Well, since you can't prove your claims, I don't blame you because there is no evidence to present! In my faith the Earth was not supposed to be a paradise, it was meant to be a challenge with all the consequences that go along with living a physical existence. It is like an advanced school that was designed to challenge us every step of the way. And not just in this life, but in all our lives. And while I can't disprove your belief of a dark side to the spiritual realm, I doubt it completely. While I do believe that souls do get trapped, by their own choice, to the earthly realm and can appear to be evil spirits, it is a temporary condition and eventually all souls return to their true home.

To cause this to happen the Earth has to be realigned and so the comet will be used to tip the Earth back to it’s original Atlantis axis. This would mean the pyramids on Giza would once again be surrounded with water.

I can't believe you're still hanging on to your Comet Elenin hypothesis after being presented with very real evidence that it won't come anywhere near close enough to the Earth to have any measurable affect at all! And for the record, there is no such thing as an Atlantis axis. If Atlantis did indeed exist, the only way it will rise from the depths of the oceans is if we have an ice age and the oceans waters end up as glaciers, dropping their levels in the process, plate tectonics forcing it back to the surface, which has nothing to do with the Earth's axis, we get hit with a blast of gama rays which evaporates all the oceans or we are impacted by a body large enough to blast our water into space..... just to name a few. And none of them rely on a non-existent alignment of the planets and galaxy or a pole shift, which usually takes millions of years.

You are grasping at straws called bad science.

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Mr Darwin wrote:This physical life that we all enjoy is paved with trials and tribulations, how we face up to these determines what level of success we make of our lives. However, we get one crack at it and once it's done, it's done. You could look back on your life and be filled with regrets or you can say, "Well, I had a go and give it my best shot, I am thankful for what I gained in this life and I can depart from this earth, safe in the knowledge I did my level best. There is a Neil Diamond song which sums it up perfectly. It is entitled "Done too soon" To quote :

And each one there, had one thing they shared, they had sweated beneath the same sun, looked up in wonder at the same moon, and wept when it was all done, for being done too soon, for being done too soon.

This tells us that it is over. Their chance came and went. The end.

Mr Darwin.

I'm going to assume when you claim, "we get one crack at it and once it's done, it's done," you are speaking specifically of the life just ended and not of any possible future lives, right? Because there is no way to disprove the possible existence of reincarnation but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that suggests there is some truth to it!

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