Maranatha wrote:fuzoid -
I should have known I need to be specific with you...here is what Jesus said - "and then I will profess unto them, I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity"

Not just with me, but with everyone! You should always be specific when you are dealing with the Bible! As mentioned, there are quite a few different versions out there and if you are not specific you can easily mislead others. Okay, now that we have the correct verse established, I need to ask, are you referring to Matthew 7:23 or Luke 13:27, and in what version? I'm going to assume both in the KJV, which is the version you should be using since all other Protestant versions have been copied from the KJV. And especially if you want to get the proper definition for English words that don't properly translate from the original Hebrew and Greek (Aramaic)!

Arrogant? I don''t see how I'm being arrogant by defending my belief...as I said, you have your belief and I have mine...

Yes, arrogant. Christianity can't help but be arrogant! Allow me to ask, do you believe Christianity is the one true way and all those that do not accept Jesus are bound for some non-existent hell? This is the very definition of arrogance! And you call that defending your beliefs? Here's a perfect example of what you call defending your beliefs:

Glad to hear you're not Pagan, but if you don't believe (have faith) the Bible as a reliable source...then how can you believe in the God of the Bible? If you don't believe in the God of the Bible, then you must believe in other gods, which are pagan, which would make you a pagan believer.

As mentioned, this is the very definition of Christian arrogance!

...however what you call faith can't really be faith since you have to prove it first before you believe it...that's not faith.

Apparently I didn't make myself clear the first time, so let's try again. What I stated is, what I believe as truth can be proven through science, what I believe through faith cannot! It's as simple as that!

Faith is believing in something that is not seen...and I'm sure you know the verse in Heb. 11:1 so I don't have to quote it here in all the different versions that are out there...since you need specifics, you can look it up.

Yes, I'm quite familiar with Hebrews 11:1, and it is of no consequence. Since when did the Bible become a source for English word definitions? In accordance with the English definition for faith in regards to religion, it is a belief(s) that is not based on proof. In other words, in order to believe Christianity, you have faith in the unprovable, just as I stated.

I'm not averting anything you said, I'm just don't see the purpose in debating with someone that doesn't understand what faith is.

That's a cop out answer. You know very well what I meant when I stated that in order to believe, you require faith in the unprovable. Are you going to claim the dictionary is wrong and come up with a new, Biblical, definition for faith? Sorry, Maranatha, if anyone here does not understand what faith is, it is you.

If you don't get that and will only believe in what is proved, then what's the sense of saying you have faith? Faith in what that nothing is believable in your eyes until you actually see it? Well I guess you can call it faith if you like or anything else...it's your choice.

Apparently you mistranslated very plain English! Again, that which I believe as truth can be proven through science. That which I believe through faith cannot. So whether you recognize it, or not, I do indeed believe that which cannot be proven.... through faith alone. No different than you, with one exception, I'm not afraid to admit that all I have is faith. Is that more clear?

And I'm not here to change you or anyone else, I don't have that authority, power, or will.

I never said you were! But I don't doubt that you would like to if you could!

You're studying to be a Pastor...that's great!
Maybe some day you will really know what faith is and come to grips with your creator...

Well, as stated, the literal definition for faith is a belief that is not based on proof. So you let me know when you understand what faith really is, okay? And I have no issues with my creator! Again, while I do have a belief in a god, I don't claim to know who or what IT is. No one knows, you just believe you know, through faith. Or did I miss something?

and to answer your question where did God come from...I don't know, but according to His Word He has always been...I think He IS Energy/Power/Light...

Then why do you have an issue with zero point energy always existing? And according to the laws of physics, no god would be required to create a universe when a quantum fluctuation is all you would need! The real question here should be, where did consciousness come from?

...then again I can't prove it,...

No one can!

...but it doesn't mean I don't believe it...

Which is why it's called faith. Now that wasn't so bad admitting that you believe on faith alone, was it?

...and if that's not good enough for you, then you might what to check YOUR arrogance at the door.

But that's just the thing, it is good enough for me! It's as I've been saying all along, in order to believe what you believe, you must take it on faith alone. As in a belief not based on proof.

And since you're just getting to know me, let me be the first to tell you that I do not deny being an arrogant SOB. That's what made me such a good Christian!

Oh, and I'm not sure why any of you think I'm a female...

I made an assumption based on your username. I assumed that it was probably a proper name and since it ends in an "a," I assumed it was feminine. So I was wrong about your gender. No problem, I can admit when I make a mistake, and apparently I stand corrected!

but you got that all wrong as well...

Sorry, dude, but the only thing I got wrong was an incorrect assumption. Everything else I posted about your faith and its history is right on target.

sheesh...or is everyone on here a female?

Well, if the name follows the rules of language, then whether you like it or not, Maranatha is indeed feminine! But since you tell me you're male, I have to take you at your word. In light of the above, if I were you, I would change your username. Unless it's a last name?

Talk about not getting the facts!!

Assumptions have nothing to do with facts. And I admit I made an incorrect assumption. But hey, it's not my fault you have a feminine username, YOU chose it!

Okay, now that we have that out of the way, I challenge you to prove me wrong about Biblical contradictions, Christianity and its history. And be very specific with your answers. Thanks!

Jenny wrote:~~Quote ~~Oh, and I'm not sure why any of you think I'm a female...but you got that all wrong as well...sheesh...or is everyone on here a female?
Talk about not getting the facts!!
*****************************
for me your name felt feminine and your writing was soft and gentle
but i googled your name and found it's meaning

apologies from me
your name is still pretty though

kind of ironic on another hand
wishing you a good day

See, Jenny, we do agree sometimes! <s>

guys im not sure if i believe it or not i calm down and something reminds me and panics me so i must say what i think

i think that the world will not end but change a lot! by massive climate changes with 97% world peace with chaos after 34 years of rebuilding a MASSIVE battle will break out but then it will settle we'll resplit our super nation into the 7 country nations and ect then back to normal for 200,000 years then ect...
also in 50,000,000 years is the real end cus the sun will turn red giant and consume earth but we may have left it by then so i hope it stays normal and all is right we can only hope cus if it comes we cant stop it if its just major disaster we'll be all in it together

The world will not end in 2012. Just because it's the end of the Mayan Long Count Calendar, that doesn't mean "OMG THE WORLD'S ENDING! WE'RE ALL DEAD". You know why? It's because if a calendar ends, IT STARTS AGAIN! Otherwise it would be "The End of The World" every year... So this means world won't end in 2012. Happy? Case closed.

But for those people who are waiting the for the world to end, in 2036, a comet called "Apophis" might hit the Earth. But happily, our Governments already have plans to alter the comet's route to the point that Apophis won't hit the Earth.

Really I don't know what to think right now? I'm really confused i want someone that knows what they are talking about and if they can explain that the world is or is not coming to an end? I can believe them. The reason why I say this is because some people say one thing and they end up being wrong in their own predictions. So I would like to know who is right.

hello im dphadders
and this is my vision
i belief that the world is not ended on 2012
why so negative i think we all evolves to another age of time
with all the nano technology and electrical knowledge we are headed a new age of modernisation
thats what happening now
plus that peoples becomes more openmindend
religion and the time that people is ruled by massmanupilation is coming to a end
peoples became to brake out of the mentaly punishment
look around and see its everywhere i think that ww3 is coming sooner than you think
and that we mankind of the world will destroy eachother with the knowledge of now
and the world will exist for mor then millions of years

hoopin23 wrote:Really I don't know what to think right now? I'm really confused i want someone that knows what they are talking about and if they can explain that the world is or is not coming to an end? I can believe them. The reason why I say this is because some people say one thing and they end up being wrong in their own predictions. So I would like to know who is right.

The world is not coming to an end, it has another 4.5 billion years before it is consumed by the sun in its red giant phase. But that's not what you meant, right? With that being the case, no, the world is not coming to an end. While there will always be natural disasters, humanity has survived them before and will continue to survive them. This is not to say that you or I would survive a cataclysmic event such as the eruption of a super volcano like Yellow Stone. But suffice to say if you're worrying because of prediction/prophecy, do yourself a favor and stop worrying. Eschatologists have been predicting the world's demise for thousands of years, more so when Christianity came on to the stage, and we're still here to laugh about how foolish they've been.

You ask who is right. You yourself can answer this question if you only look to the sky and do a little research yourself on reputable sites. Let's review some of the more popular EOW (end of the world) scenarios:

Claim: The planet Nibiru is making a beeline for the Earth and will create havoc.
Response: There is no Nibiru. If such a planet existed and was headed towards the Earth we would see it and its gravitational influence by now. We don't! And no, NASA is not hiding photos of a non-existent planet from us.

Claim: Comet Elenin will pass by the Earth and create havoc.
Response: Comet Elenin has disintegrated. And even if it didn't it was too small and too distant to have any measurable influence on the Earth.

Claim: There will be an alignment between our solar system, the galactic plane and the super massive black hole in the center of our galaxy which will create gravitational havoc and cause the Earth's poles to reverse resulting in worldwide cataclysms.
Response: Our solar system is currently 75 to 101 light years above the galactic plane, is still moving above it and will continue for a total of 16 million years. Our solar system bobs above and below the galactic plane in 64 million year cycles. It takes 16 million years from below the plane to align with it, and another 16 million years to reach its maximum height in relation to the plane. So it takes a total of 32 million years to complete just half of the cycle. We are no way near aligning with the galactic plane and won't be for millions of years. However, we do pass through the galactic equator.....twice a year! Yet here we are still alive!

Claim: The Mayans predicted the end of the world because their calendar ends on 12/21/12.
Response: How does the end of a calendar predict the end of the world? Our calendar ends every year on 31 December, does this mean we need to be concerned every year? No, and neither does the end of the Mayan calendar.

My advice? Live and stop worrying about irrational claims predicting the end is nigh. Besides, any of us could be killed driving to work, crossing a street, slipping on soap in the bathtub, etc..... If you live your life in fear because of a bunch of nonsense EOW claims, then shame on you for believing and missing out on life. LIVE...... AND LET LIVE!

fuzoid
http://www.live365.com/stations/fuzoid

Where is everyones smug smile? Yall gone quiet

There,s is no way that planet x can hit earth. Planet x and nibru dosen,t exist. So therefore The world won,t end.

Okay.... I don't care if this is a necro post, or whatever the argument is after the 1st page cause there are like 400 pages.

Yes, there is a POSSIBLITY that Apophys is going to hit earth. YES, it's between our satillietes. It MAY come hurtling toward earth because it MIGHT go through a 'keyhole' and Earth's gravity will make it crash somewhere between California and Hawaii... BUT its a VERY SMALL possiblity.

Now, I dont care if this is a necro post, or if your forum EVEN HAS necroposts.... OR whatever you people are talking about RIGHT NOW.
I'm just saying.

ALSO there is NO planet X/Nibiru. The speculation was created by a miscalculation of Neptune's mass, or something. Just go search it up... but don't believe everthing on the internet. Mayve even this post.