2012..in case you didnt know

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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby TheAlien01 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:44 pm

desertdweller wrote:WOW Alien you are out there, some interesting concepts but I'd check on what you got burning cause I think it done burnt a hole in your thinking cap. Not that I'm close minded at all but WOW. 2012 is the end of the Mayan calandar and the beginning of a new age. That age would be called Aquarius, the age of enlightenment. Life as we now know it will change and the strong among us will survive. I absolutely agree that there is no need to waste time dwelling on this, as life is to be lived and we should live every day like it's our last day. there are a couple of phrases I try and live by: "Chance Favors the Prepared Mind" and "God helps those who help themselves"
Peace Brother and may the Force be with you.
DD

Thanks!
I try to keep an open mind,even though the ol' brain slips out from time to time.
But that doesnt make me dain bramaged does it?
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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby HITMAN5 » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:32 pm

You forgot to add Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy into the mix of fictitious things, like God.

I firmly believe that we're forced into believing religion as a form of control over the general population. With the government believing in a "better power" we can all believe in it as well since there's nothing bigger than the government. I believe that if anything were to happen, it'd be civilization itself that is going to destroy our existence on earth. 2012 or not, it's likely going to happen. I remember a documentary saying we could blow the world up 16 times with the amount of explosives we have stored on earth. If 2012 isn't the end, we'll find a way to end it ourselves, sadly. Power is a touchy subject and power in the wrong hands can significantly change the force of the future (or, not to mention - the people who are jealous with the current power). As for religion or God, I think you can rule both out.

To be honest, and fair, religion is pure belief. Passed on information for years and years that has been altered with new testaments, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, us regular people have no say in what happens to this world, so why don't you let time tell what happens? Since none of us can sit here and say we have facts over beliefs, I think you should start believing what YOU think is true, instead of other people forcing you into some false judgments that they have absolutely no proof of (much like religion).
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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby TheAlien01 » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:08 am

HITMAN5 wrote:You forgot to add Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy into the mix of fictitious things, like God.

I firmly believe that we're forced into believing religion as a form of control over the general population. With the government believing in a "better power" we can all believe in it as well since there's nothing bigger than the government. I believe that if anything were to happen, it'd be civilization itself that is going to destroy our existence on earth. 2012 or not, it's likely going to happen. I remember a documentary saying we could blow the world up 16 times with the amount of explosives we have stored on earth. If 2012 isn't the end, we'll find a way to end it ourselves, sadly. Power is a touchy subject and power in the wrong hands can significantly change the force of the future (or, not to mention - the people who are jealous with the current power). As for religion or God, I think you can rule both out.

To be honest, and fair, religion is pure belief. Passed on information for years and years that has been altered with new testaments, etc.

As far as I'm concerned, us regular people have no say in what happens to this world, so why don't you let time tell what happens? Since none of us can sit here and say we have facts over beliefs, I think you should start believing what YOU think is true, instead of other people forcing you into some false judgments that they have absolutely no proof of (much like religion).

God asked us to have faith,because days would come when man would proclaim such ideas as these...
I for one like to believe that I will one day be reunited with loved ones I'd lost in my life.Rather then just think that death was the final result to our existence.
I believe each person alive is a miracle and that we truly can make a difference in this world.
Stop to consider for a moment...just how infinitely HUGE the Universe is.How many Billions of stars are out there...and even here on earth...so many billions of Human Beings...yet YOU are the only YOU that ever has or ever will exist.That makes you special dont you think? Your personal experiences in this life are unique unto yourself.Nobody can say that they have lived the exact life that you have lived.
God has given this gift of Life to each of us.I tend to think of this life as a training ground.God wanted his children to love him.But how would it be possible for them to love him if they didnt know what love was?So he gave us fleshy bodies.And put us in situations where we could learn to feel.Whether those feelings were love,hate,empathy,apathy or even just silly at times.These are all gifts to us, as are every and anything we possess.How could we possess anything if God hadnt given us life and allowed us to do the things that made our belongings ours?
There is much evidence around to support Gods existence.Take for instance a horse.How much more obvious could it be that this animal was created just to help man move from point A to point B more quickly? Notice the size of trees,and mountains.Everything in our world is to scale for us,humans.
No my friend.I honestly believe that there is a God.Ive seen him move in my life and watched him work miracles.To say now that he was a figment of my imagination would be the same as trying to believe that up was down and cats are really dogs.
Spend a little time reading his instruction manual to us.His book,The Bible.Get to know him through his son.And I bet one person in this world can make a difference,and that person will be you.
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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby Atwork » Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:30 am

Re above posts....makes you think doesn't it? http://dingo.care2.com/cards/flash/5409/galaxy.swf
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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:23 pm

Christ warns them not to be led away

And in answer Jesus said to them , "Take care no one leads you astray. for many will come in my name, saying "I am the Christ," and they will lead many astray. For you shall hear wars and rumors of wars. Take care that you do not be alarmed, for these thing must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there will be pestilences and famines and earthquakes in various places. But all these things are the beginnings of sorrows.


The signs of the last day

"Then if anyone say to you "Behold here is the Christ," or, "There he is" do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise, and will arise,and will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even in elect. Behold, I have told it to you beforehand. If therefore they say to you, "Behold he is in the inner chambers," do not believe it. For as lightning comes forth from the east and shines even to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the body is,there will the eagles be gathered together.



Darkening of the sun and moon

"But immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give her light,and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven will be shaken. And then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven; and then will all tribes of earth mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with great power and majesty. And he will send forth his angels with a trumpet and a great sound, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.


Th need of watchfulness

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but the Father only. And as it was in the days of Noe, even so will be coming of the Son of Man. For as in the days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the day when Noe entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and swept them all away; even so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken, and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the millstone; one will be taken, and one will be left.

The last judgment

"But when the Son of Man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of glory; and before him will be gathered all the nations,as the shepherd seperates the sheep from the goats; and he will set the sheep on his right hand and the goats on his left.


THERE WILL BE A DAY WHEN THE EARTH WILL END BUT NO-ONE KNOWS NOT EVEN THE SON OF MAN.........


CATHOLIC HOLY BIBLE---WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST ok people JESUS will come again so ahhh no one should predict 2012 or 2020 cause you dont know so hey i could be wrong but i wouldnt predict it
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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby moi » Mon Nov 24, 2008 12:37 am

im gonna quote dweller......wow alien.......i think after the first paragraph everyone deemed you crazy...now i might believe in aliens but thinking that they are connected to "interracial breeding" and the whole thing about Satan's colors on election night is crazy....I think the stuff your gettin off your dude is mixed with some space coke.
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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby webgye » Mon Nov 24, 2008 1:38 pm

"Jesus is actually going to come back twice!" - True Sorta...

Jesus will return but his feet will not touch the earth. ("Rapture") See below we will be called to meet him in the "air".

Then we which are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them in the clouds
to meet the Lord in the air...
(I Thess. 4:17)

"The first time will be to infiltrate.Spy on us and see whats going on with the good ol' earth...For behold..he comes as a thief in the night." - again you are out of context.

#1) Jesus is not some "Peeping Tom"... There is no need to "Spy" on us. He knows exactly what is going on down here and can see it from where he is now.
#2) 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 (NIV) for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

What the phrase "thief in the night means" is that it will come as a suprise much life a thief in the night. So be prepared, take precautions or you will be suprsied by the thief in the night. Get it?

The second time will be as a Lion.With the two edged sword,not to bring peace love and Understanding as Elvis Costello may believe,but to kick some major ass and set right the wrongs of the oppressors of this earth.

Passage Zechariah 14:2-5:
2For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then the LORD will go out and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet shall stand on the Mount of Olives that lies before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley, so that one half of the Mount shall move northward, and the other half southward. 5 And you shall flee to the valley of my mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come, and all the holy ones with him.

Please if your going to quote, quote it correctly.

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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby TheAlien01 » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:38 pm

So am I to live my life by your interpretations? Or would it be alright if i had my own?
So okay...the whole Obama is a time traveling Satan worshiping cross bred alien was a joke. :lol:
So lets not dwell on quotes and interpretations...lets THINK about something completely different.
NEPHILIM!


Were the Nephilim sons of God?

Fallen Angels? Giants of Genesis 6:4?

A common belief which we share is that the "sons of
God" who did marry the "daughters of men" were fallen angels.

Why did God send the judgment of the Flood in the days of Noah? The strange events recorded in Genesis 6 were understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, as well as the Septuagint translators, as referring to fallen angels procreating weird hybrid offspring with human women-known as the Nephilim. This was far more than simply a historical issue, the unique events leading to the Flood are a prerequisite to understanding the prophetic implications of our Lord's predictions regarding His Second Coming. This is believed to have happened both before the Flood and after the flood. In Israel at the time of David, and before this when the Hebrews were scouting the land - there were tribes of these Nephilim - Goliath the giant of Gath is one example. Early Church fathers also understood this to be the case. It appears that these fallen angels were active all over the world. These bizarre giants living on the earth are also echoed in the legends and myths of nearly every ancient culture. The ancient Greeks, the Egyptians, the Hindus, the South Sea Islanders, the American Indians, and most all the others have these legends.

The Hebrew word Nephelim (plural of nephel) (Nephilim) literally means "rejects". The Hebrew plural for Nephites would be "Nephi'im".


Satan probably put this plan to interrupt Abraham's "seed into motion, as soon as it was made known that the Seed of the Woman (Christ) was to come through ABRAHAM.

Bible Probe Note: Our use of the Word "irruption" in this article below means: act of rushing; act of breaking in; intrusion, raid; sudden increase.



Genesis 6:4 (Original KJV):
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,
when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and
they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which
were of old, men of renown.

Bible Probe Note: Note the words; "and also after that". This
probably tells of two "irruptions" by Satan's seed. One before Noah's
time and another after the flood. They were called "The Watchers" in The Book of Enoch.




Their descendents, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and being superhuman in size and in their wicked character, had to be destroyed. Was this the one and only object of the Flood?




Genesis 6:12 (Original KJV):
And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt;
for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.


Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Genesis 6:9). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath). The only remedy was to destroy it defacto (Latin for "in fact"), as it had become defacto destroyed.

This irruption of fallen angels before Noah's day was probably Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the "Seed of the woman" foretold in Genesis 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and Satan's own doom would be averted.

Genesis 3:15 (Original KJV):
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between
thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt
bruise his heel. also see Isaiah 7:14


WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE DAYS OF NOAH?

Will the gates of hell (port holes/stargates) open on December 21, 2012?
This is the date the Mayan calendar ends. Is this when the biblical delusions from the skies begin?

Did demons land on Mt Hermon in Phoenesia (now Israel) and polute the human race - provoking God's anger? Are UFO's these demons (some call Watchers) building up their forces for a final battle with the Lord? Are these "bad angelic beings" using created matter to embody themselves?

What will it be like when the Lord returns - and destroys satan and his armies? Nephilim (demon angels in physical bodies) will be here... Just like:
"As it was in the days of Noah..." (Luke 17:26)

The idea that the spirits of dead giants (off spring of demons mating with earth women) inhabit the underworld (place beyond the veil) is supported here:

- They're segregated from the heroes, the old-time giants who entered the grave in full battle dress, their swords placed under their heads and their shields covering their bones, those heroes who spread terror through the land of the living. The Message Version, Ezekiel 32:27

- "And he did not know that giants are there, and that her guests are in the depths of hell" (Douay-Rheims Version, Proverbs 9:18)

- "A man that shall wander out of the way of doctrine, shall abide in the company of the giants" (Douay-Rheims Version, Proverbs 21:16)

- "Hell below was in an uproar to meet thee at thy coming, it stirred up the giants for thee" (Douay-Rheims Version, Isaiah 14:9)

- "Let not the dead live, let not the giants rise again..." (Douay-Rheims Version, Isaiah 26:14)

The book of Jasher, which is mentioned in the Bible in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1.18 says, "After the fallen angels went into the daughters of men, [then] the sons of men taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order to provoke the Lord" (4:18). The Book of Enoch says that fallen angels not only merged their DNA with women, but that "they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish" (7:5; 6)





Satan's plan was to occupy Canaan with "his own seed" in advance of Abraham's seed.

As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Genesis 6:4 (see above), "and also after that" (that is to say, after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Genesis 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (that is to say, already) in the land."

Also in Genesis we see two more attempts by Satan to interfere with Abraham's
seed before the birth of Isaac, as told in both Genesis 12:10-20 and in Genesis 20:1-18.


In the late 1950's, during road construction in the Euphrates Valley of south-east Turkey, many tombs containing the remains of giants were uncovered. At the sites the leg bones were measured to be 120 cms (47.24 inches). Joe Taylor, Director of Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum, was commissioned to sculpt the human femur. This Antediluvian giant stood some 14-16 ft tall

Genesis 6:4 claims: "There were giants in the earth in those days;" Deuteronomy 3:11 states that the bed of Og, king of Bashan, was 9 cubits by 4 cubits (approximately 14 ft long by 6 ft wide).

Possible explanation. The earth had more oxygen.

Long ago, even insects may have been larger due to higher oxygen concentrations in the atmosphere (believed to have been about 35 percent instead of 21 percent today). This increased oxygen level could be part of the explanation for giants, long-lived people, and even why fossils of giant dragonflies with 2-foot wingspans have been found.

Other human Fossil finds

A 19'6" human skeleton found in 1577 A.D. under an overturned oak tree in the Canton of Lucerne.

23-foot tall skeleton found in 1456 A.D. beside a river in Valence, France.

A 25' 6 " skeleton found in 1613 A.D. near the castle of Chaumont in France. This was claimed to be a nearly complete find.

A 9' 8" skeleton was excavated from a mound near Brewersville, Indiana (Indianapolis News, Nov 10, 1975).

In 1833 soldiers digging at a pit for a powder magazine in Lompock Rancho, California, discovered a male skeleton 12 feet tall. The skeleton was surrounded by carved shells, stone axes, and blocks of porphyry covered with unintelligible symbols. The skeleton had double rows of upper and lower teeth. These bones substantiated legends by the local Piute Indians regarding giants which they called Si-Te-Cahs.

In Clearwater Minnesota, the skeletons of seven giants were found in mounds. These had receding foreheads and complete double dentition.


A mound near Toledo, Ohio, held 20 skeletons, seated and facing east with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people," and besides each was a large bowl with "curiously wrought hieroglyphic figures." (Chicago Record, Oct. 24, 1895; cited by Ron G. Dobbins, NEARA Journal, v13, fall 1978).

Almost beyond comprehension or believability was the find of the two separate 36-foot human remains uncovered by Carthaginians somewhere between 200-600 B.C.

Caius Julius Verus Maximinus, also known as Maximinus Thrax (235-238 A.D.) was a Roman soldier-emperor who spent his reign on campaign. Maximinus was born in Thrace to a Gothic father an Alanic mother in about 173 A.D.. He was reportedly 8' feet, six inches (2.59m) tall, and of tremendous strength.

In an ancient text of the Jews, we read an astonishing description of some of these gigantic Amorites whom the Israelites conquered. In Buber's Tanhuma, Devarim 7, the text tells us of a Rabbi Johnanan ben Zakkai's encounter with the Roman Emperor Hadrian. This event occurred in about A.D. 135, soon after the Roman victory in the Bar Kochba war, when the Jews rebelled against the Romans. The text reads:

"The wicked emperor Hadrian, who conquered Jerusalem, boasted, 'I have conquered Jerusalem with great power.' Rabbi Johanan ben Zakkai said to him, 'Do not boast. Had it not been the will of Heaven, you would not have conquered it.' Rabbi Johanan then took Hadrian into a cave and showed him the bodies of Amorites who were buried there. One of them measured eighteen cubits [approximately 30 feet] in height. He said, 'When we were deserving, such men were defeated by us, but now, because of our sins, you have defeated us'" (quoted in Judaism, edited by Arthur Hertzberg, p.155-156, George Braziller, New York: 1962).

"Sons of God were fallen angels and not aliens"
Some have claimed that the Nephilim, or the "sons of God," both mentioned in Genesis 6:2-4, were aliens. This is a wild extension of a common view that the "sons of God" who married the "daughters of men" were fallen angels, and that the Nephilim were products of those "marriages."

"Sons of God" is clearly used of angels in Job 38:7 Orig KJV: "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?". The Septuagint (LXX) here translates "sons of God" as "angels of God." This need not mean that evil angels, or demons, actually cohabited with women. Jesus made it clear that angels do not engage in sexual activities, at least not angels in heaven. Matthew 22:30 Orig KJV: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." Nevertheless, evil angels on earth could have used the bodies of ungodly men, by demonic possession, to achieve their evil purpose of producing an evil generation of people (Genesis 6:12).[2]

There are other reasonable suggestions as to the identity of the "sons of God" and the Nephilim. Interestingly, the word Nephilim is only used here and in Numbers 13:33, where it clearly refers to the descendants of Anak, who were big people, but still people. Furthermore, "sons of God" is not used exclusively of angels -- the children of Israel are called "the sons of the living God" in Hosea 1:10 (see also Psalm 73:15; 80:17).

read more here:
http://bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm


Now then...care to give your "interpretation" on this?Oh ye of all thee answers.
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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby TheAlien01 » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:41 pm

I just wanted to add a quick post script here,for those that were going to say.."what does this have to do with 2012?

If you had read the above you would have seen this line..
Will the gates of hell (port holes/stargates) open on December 21, 2012?
This is the date the Mayan calendar ends. Is this when the biblical delusions from the skies begin?

so theres your answer to the question before you made the attempt to post it.lmao
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Re: 2012..in case you didnt know

Unread postby Catrinax27 » Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:39 am

What makes all of you so sure that the United States is the great country that the Anti-Christ chooses? And us American's wonder why know other countries like us anymore. We're selfish, wastful, and we're stuck up....And it says no where in the bible that the world is goin to end in 2012.....You have absolutly nothing to worry about if you are a TRUE believer in God. And you know what I mean by a true believer. Not a hypocrite.....God will come when he is good and ready...and there is nothing to do to stop a greater power than you....So stop bitching and dont fret about Armegedon so much. And Obama is not the Anti-Christ!
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